Quote from chuck.ells: That should read, for the sake of truthfulness, Israel was stolen in 1948. Fine. So you don't believe in Israel's right to exist. Typical logical fallacy from an illogical mind. Saying that Israel was stolen is not the same as saying that Israel has no right to exist. Your M.O. is at play, which is to as quickly as possible make things a black and white argument, all or nothing, falsely claim to know the true intentions of someone else who doesn't agree with you, accuse them of antisemitism if they don't agree with you, either with us or against us bullshit... Then get your back up and make silly statements like "we are not going away" etc. which are a further escalations of rhetoric, itching for a fight...which is what you really seem to want. That's the way you seem to function, make someone your enemy if they don't agree with you, make them all wrong, put words in their mouth, etc...
I have no wish to see Israel disappear. Israels antics make a great spectator blood sport. We all know what will happen in the end. There is only one outcome in a murder â suicide pact with ones self.
Israel was stolen [from the arabs] = Israel should not have been created = to right the wrong Israel should be returned [to the arabs] You don't have the guts to come out and say what you believe in but it does not mean your intentions and views are not obvious. Like most posters in this thread you never uttered a word while Israel was bombarded by Qassams on a daily basis during the last two years but now you're going to whine about Israel's long overdue response, you're once again going to side with fundamentalists and terrorists, blame it on Israel and completely ignore two years of Israeli concessions and restraint. What's new? Your trolling is not fooling anyone though.
Israeli statement to emergency meeting of the Security Council Mr. President, Israel has exercised that restraint for many months now. This has been in spite of the constant firing of rockets and mortar shells on our towns and villages in southern Israel, every single hour, every single day. And this is in spite of Hamas' attempt to carry out terrorist attacks wherever they can target and kill an Israeli. While Israel has been showing restraint, Hamas has showed no intention of ceasing its vicious attacks. On the contrary. In the past week, since Hamas failed to organize a provocative demonstration in Gaza - a failure that might be seen as a weakness - it has dramatically escalated its rocket attacks and upgraded its capabilities against our people. Grad missiles. Qatyusha rockets. Mortar shells. And Qassams. Since Wednesday, more than 150 rockets were fired at Israel, dozens in the past 24 hours alone. As I speak to you now, more than a quarter of a million Israeli citizens are in the range of the deadly and murderous weapons of Hamas, care of Hamas, of its backers in the region and their malicious vision. The Government of Israel should thus not apologize for protecting its citizens. This is the right of all States to act in self defense, in accordance with article 51 of the United Nations Charter. This is our duty. This is our obligation to our people. I ask the Members of the Security Council, wouldn't it be yours too? No responsible Member State would sit back in silence and do nothing as its citizens and territory are under constant attack. They would not be idle as the alarms in Sderot - and now Ashkelon - blare "Colour Red, Colour Red", giving Israeli civilians less than 15 seconds - 15 seconds of terror - that's all it takes, before the rocket slams into their lives, their homes, hospitals, kindergartens, schools, and playgrounds. And their lives are destroyed forever. http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Foreign+R...eeting+of+the+Security+Council+1-Mar-2008.htm An Israeli rescue worker in Ashkelon inspecting the damage caused by a Grad rocket fired from the Gaza Strip by Palestinian militants on Sunday
IDF Chief of Staff: 90 of 100 Palestinians killed this week were militants (Haaretz) http://haaretz.com/hasen/objects/pages/ShowTickers.jhtml
Israel was stolen [from the arabs] = Israel should not have been created That statement is not logically true, as the equation is not comprised of two logically equal components. A hungry man steals a piece of bread, doesn't mean that he should not eat. No wonder you are drawn to fanaticism, you just can't reason your way out a corner... The wrong of the Arabs don't make the wrongs of Israel right...
"You don't have the guts to come out and say what you believe in but it does not mean your intentions and views are not obvious. Like most posters in this thread you never uttered a word while Israel was bombarded by Qassams on a daily basis during the last two years but now you're going to whine about Israel's long overdue response, you're once again going to side with fundamentalists and terrorists, blame it on Israel and completely ignore two years of Israeli concessions and restraint. What's new? Your trolling is not fooling anyone though." The logical fallacy of a fanatic claiming to read minds, know what others intentions are, drawing conclusions that don't follow from the facts...yada, yada, yada... A rabid Zionist claiming others are fundamentalist! Oy very vey!
U.N. chief condemns Israel after bloody day in Gaza Sun Mar 2, 2008 1:38am EST By Nidal al-Mughrabi GAZA (Reuters) - U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon condemned Israel for using "excessive" force in the Gaza Strip and demanded a halt to its offensive after troops killed 61 people on the bloodiest day for Palestinians since the 1980s. Addressing an emergency session of the Security Council in New York after four days of fighting in which 96 Palestinians have been killed, many of them civilians, Ban also called on Gaza's Islamist militants to stop firing rockets. The 1.5 million Palestinians crammed into the blockaded, 45 km (30-mile) sliver of coast, enjoyed a relative respite early on Sunday from Israeli air strikes and raids. Two Israeli soldiers died in a ground assault on Saturday. An Israeli civilian was killed by a rocket in a border town on Wednesday. "While recognizing Israel's right to defend itself, I condemn the disproportionate and excessive use of force that has killed and injured so many civilians, including children ... I call on Israel to cease such attacks," said Ban. "I condemn Palestinian rocket attacks and call for the immediate cessation of such acts of terrorism," he said. But with public anger boiling in Israel, there was no sign the government was ready to call off an offensive that took troops deeper into Gaza on Saturday and in larger numbers than at any time since Israel ended a 38-year occupation in 2005. The Islamist Hamas movement, which seized control of Gaza last June by routing Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas's forces, vowed to maintain what it says is a self-defense strategy unless Israel agrees to end all military action. Areas from which Hamas has launched rockets that have killed three Israelis in the past year saw heavy clashes on the ground on Saturday and air strikes continued to pound buildings and homes that Israel said were used by militants. In some of these attacks, children as young as six months have been killed. Israel says militants use the population as cover by firing from built-up areas and blamed Hamas for the civilian deaths -- at least 30 occurred on Saturday. Senior Israeli diplomat Daniel Carmon dismissed suggestions Israel was guilty of war crimes. "Hamas bears sole responsibility for the violence," he told the Security Council. Palestinian officials said the day's bloodshed was the worst since an "intifada" or uprising against Israeli occupation broke out in 2000, halting an earlier peace process. Not since a first intifada in the 1980s had so many died in a day, they said. U.N. RESOLUTION Diplomats said the Security Council was unlikely to adopt a Libyan resolution that condemns Israel's killing of civilians but makes no mention of the Palestinian rocket fire. The United States, Israel's closest ally and a veto-wielding member of the Council, made clear its understanding of the Israeli position, while regretting loss of life on both sides. "There is a clear distinction between terrorist rocket attacks that target civilians and action in self-defense," White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe said. European diplomats said they believed the world body should at least make some comment on bloodshed which some say jeopardizes the new U.S.-backed peace talks between Israel and Abbas, who holds sway now only in the occupied West Bank. Abbas's chief peace negotiator Ahmed Qurie called off a meeting scheduled for Monday with his Israeli counterpart, Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, Israeli officials said. But Abbas, who echoed widespread Palestinian outrage at Israel's tactics by calling it "more than holocaust", had taken no decision to abandon the peace process, aides said. U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is due to meet Abbas and Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert this week to try to accelerate faltering negotiations which President George W. Bush hopes can forge a peace deal before he leaves office in January. Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat said: "If Israeli aggression continues, it will bury the peace process." At least 30 gunmen were killed on Saturday, medical staff and Hamas said. Among targets was the empty office of Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh, formerly Abbas's prime minister. The rocket fire has put Olmert under pressure to act. But the government, chastened by a costly war against Hezbollah guerrillas in Lebanon in 2006, is wary of an outright invasion. While Abbas would shed few tears if Israel destroyed Hamas, he risks losing already patchy support in the West Bank if he is not seen to be speaking out against the Israeli military action. He declared Sunday a day of national mourning. (Additional reporting by Ari Rabinovitch, Adam Entous, Avida Landau and Alastair Macdonald in Jerusalem and Ali Sawafta and Mohammed Assadi in Ramallah) (Writing by Alastair Macdonald, editing by Ralph Gowling) http://www.reuters.com/article/topN...?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true
What has he done to stop Qassam attacks? They started 2.5 years ago, what has he achieved so far? And while we're on it, what has he done to condemn "excessive" attacks on Israel in the UN? And what is a proportional response to Qassam attacks? Would firing equal number of rockets into Gaza towns be proportional enough and not subject to UN condemnations? What's his plan to stop these rocket attacks, can he negotiate with Hamas and convince them to cease and desist? And as expected you did not explain why you were silent about daily barrage of Qassam rockets fired from Gaza over the border into Israel and now all of a sudden you're so deeply concerned with the "suffering" of peace loving Palestinian people. And what do you think Israel should do now that it's no longer occupying Gaza? PS Ban also called on Gaza's Islamist militants to stop firing rockets. Guess what, the minute these militants stop firing rockets, the same minute the Israeli response will end. Moreover if Islamic militants did not fire rockets into Israel in the first place the whole crisis would have been avoided.