Bars created from broker real-time data feed differ from bars created from eSignal

Discussion in 'Data Sets and Feeds' started by abattia, Mar 22, 2010.

  1. jprad

    jprad

    How is that any different than 5 days going into one week?

    As for a phase shift. You might want to look at a 10 bar interval SMA on a minute chart and a 5 bar interval SMA on a 2 minute chart and see if there's really a phase shift introduced.

    Hint; there isn't.
     
    #31     Mar 24, 2010
  2. januson

    januson

    I think your logic is wrong, OHLC is more or less the same as a candlestick, they are just visually representations of the same grouping methodology. Grouping methodology means here, the grouping of raw ticks into a type which could be time, volume, range or ticks.

    OHLC has, all depending on the type, an open, for example the open in a 5min timeframe would be grouped into an OHLC and the opening would be the first price in that group that goes into some 5 min interval for instance 10:00-10:05 (same approach with the high, low, close)
    Interval length aren't arbitrary in either OHLC or candlestick, they are chosen by the viewer and is presented (normally) in the same interval throughout the chart.
     
    #32     Mar 24, 2010
  3. thstart

    thstart

    I am talking about stocks. Probably you mean futures or currencies.

    OK - think about the meaning of these - a) "gap at open", b) "first trading hour" c) "last trading hour"- what they mean to you? If they mean nothing to you then you are missing important trading information.

    If they have a meaning to you then:
    In case of a) you have to know Open and Open has a "natural" meaning. In case of b) it has the meaning of 1h 30 min after opening. If Opening is at 9:30 EST "first trading hour" is referencing to 11:00 after the Open at 9:30. In case of c) it is related to Close.

    If you pay attention to what happens in the "first trading hour" and know some "additional" info you can tell with high probability what can happen during remaining part of the day and especially "last hour".

    This is what I mean by "natural". There is more of course. You can drop me a PM if want to know more about "additional".

    P.S. By the way for futures you can follow stocks normal trading hours and get the same meaning. There is not such thing as abstract "atomic" but if know "natural" more likely will understand better.
     
    #33     Mar 24, 2010
  4. thstart

    thstart

    5 days is a "natural" divide, week is 7 days, 5 days are trading days.

    These intervals are considered when big institutions are moving the market.
     
    #34     Mar 24, 2010
  5. januson

    januson

    We are not talking either stocks or currencies, but the whole concept of bars/ OHLC charts.

    There is no need for you to change the original question to "gap at open" etc., we are discussing the meaning of bars/ OHLC.
    You can boil both OHLC and candlesticks down to something that has some relation to a, b or c, but that was not the cause of my question.
    When you are referring to a, b, c or the meaning of "natural" you are trying to explain something using your own words and consumptions, while I'm trying to discuss the logic behind your interpretations.
     
    #35     Mar 24, 2010
  6. januson

    januson

    Sad to say, but this is based at assumptions again. Could we please try to discuss the logic behind your interpretations of candlesticks and OHLC bars.
     
    #36     Mar 24, 2010
  7. thstart

    thstart

    I am trying to tell you what has a meaning intra-day. OHLC has no meaning intra-day.

    What OHLC means to you? Then try to explain the meaning of OHLC for intra-day data in common sense terms. Does it make sense to you?

    If to you the stock market data are just digits unrelated to the nature of the stock market then you can search for dependencies and still not find ones.
     
    #37     Mar 24, 2010
  8. thstart

    thstart

    Stock market and its data are not abstract - you have "assumptions" if you know its "nature".
     
    #38     Mar 24, 2010
  9. thstart

    thstart

    The bars and OHLC as far as I know are used specifically for stock market and have to applied the way they are invented to be used. As far as I know they were intended for EOD data analysis. For intraday there other ways. For EOD they have a meaning, but for intra-day - they do not have a meaning.
     
    #39     Mar 24, 2010
  10. This is not correct, IMO.

    A perfectly valid trading style is to seek to anticipate the actions of other traders (i.e. a form of "order anticipator").

    If a significant number of other traders use bars and OHLC on an intraday basis, then an order anticipator validly can reference their style to intraday OHLC activity on the charts. He can forget about "the way they are invented to be used"; he has his own use for them - they help him anticipate the actions of other traders.
     
    #40     Mar 25, 2010