Bars created from broker real-time data feed differ from bars created from eSignal

Discussion in 'Data Sets and Feeds' started by abattia, Mar 22, 2010.

  1. thstart

    thstart

    I am using ticks not bars. Bars don't make sense intra-day.
     
    #21     Mar 22, 2010
  2. januson

    januson

    The moment you try to fit and tweak data and thereby generate some buy/ sell signals, you are wasted.
    I don't understand why you think that tweaking your data will make you money.
     
    #22     Mar 22, 2010
  3. thstart

    thstart

    Of course I am not tweaking.
     
    #23     Mar 22, 2010
  4. januson

    januson

    Certainly bars make sense intraday, what a strange opinion. Why do you say that?


    However the posting was targeted at Abattia. But I would like to hear your reason for my current question :)
     
    #24     Mar 24, 2010
  5. thstart

    thstart

    I mean grouping candlesticks by 1, 5, 15 min etc. is arbitrary. The meaning of OHLC makes sense for Day, Week , Month but not make sense intra-day.
     
    #25     Mar 24, 2010
  6. januson

    januson

    And why is this so?
    Why doesn't a 5 min bar make sense? Or a VolumeBar, TickBar or RangeBar.

    I don't understand :confused:
     
    #26     Mar 24, 2010
  7. thstart

    thstart

    What do you mean by bar - a candlestick?
     
    #27     Mar 24, 2010
  8. januson

    januson

    Really doesn't matter if it's a candlestick or a OHLC, just an accumulation/ grouping over some interval and type.
     
    #28     Mar 24, 2010
  9. thstart

    thstart

    OK, if OHLC is equivalent of Open, High, Low, Close, then they have a "natural" meaning for Daily, Weekly, Monthly, etc. intervals - you have Open for the Day, Close for the Day, High for the Day and Low for the Day. Now in intra-day interval of 1 minute or other minutes OHLC do not have this "natural" meaning. What Open for 1 minute means? Or Close for 1 minute? Now if you change the interval from 1 minute to 2, or 3 or whatever you will get a "phase shift" - if you know what I mean. If bars are represented visually as candlesticks you get different coloring if you change the minute intervals - it is not "natural" and means nothing because intervals lengths are arbitrary.
     
    #29     Mar 24, 2010
  10. jprad

    jprad

    How does a day, week or month make more sense the something that is a multiple of a second?

    Not all trading days are the same length, neither are weeks or months.

    And, while their length may vary, they are all aggregates of a unit of time that is defined by a fixed number of oscillations of a certain atomic particle.

    Besides, what happens if the stock market were to merge into a truly global 24/7 trading environment?

    Wouldn't the daily begin and end times become just as arbitrary as you say intraday intervals are?

    IMHO, I think you're putting too much emphasis on all this. All charts, bar, candle, P&F, etc. are nothing more than visual analogs for a stream of trade data.

    What really matters is that the algorithm used to construct them not only produces them "correctly" but, that it can also graciously handle delayed openings, early closes and thinly traded instruments.
     
    #30     Mar 24, 2010