Barack Hussein Obama, The LGBT Christian

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Arnie Guitar, Mar 6, 2008.

  1. So...

    Barack Hussein Obama is going to fight for LGBT (Lesbian Gay Bi Trans) issues like marriage,

    (Obama Pride?...)

    and when questioned about his Muslim middle name of Hussein, he says he's a Christian.

    To me, if you say you're a Christian, that means you believe what the Bible says. If you don't believe what the Bible says, you're not a Christian. The Bible is quite clear on gay issues. I'll just give you a few..."A man shall not lay with a man as he would lay with a woman, A woman shall not lay with a woman as she..." I'm sure you get the rest. There is no grey area there, that's pretty black and white to me.

    So it's just more political bullshit.

    It's just fine to say you're either pro gay, or a Christian, but you can't be both, you're either one or the other. There's no such thing as a gay Christian, or a gay Catholic, you're either gay, or you're a Christian or Catholic, you can't be both. The same applies to the Musilm religion.

    On a side note, not only are we not allowed to say his middle name, he doesn't have the balls to say what LGBT means on his website, I had to look it up.

    Yes, he's not the only politician to try and be everything to get a vote, but it's so tiring, and so hypocritical.
  2. Humpy


    I haven't worked out yet what color he claims to be. Is it
    1. black
    2. black plus some white
    3. half black and half white
    4. sort of coffee colored
    5. white with some black

    I don't seem to get the picture of his origins either. Is it :
    1. All American
    2. Half American half Kenyan
    3. A true Afro - American
    4. ?

    Religion wise. Is he
    1. Christian
    2. Islamic
    3. A bit of both
    4. God's chosen prophet

    etc. etc.

    He will have to come clean soon I guess and forego some votes when people find out. As the old saying has it " one can get mighty sore sitting on the fence too long "
  3. How very unequivocal of you. And, as a Christian, what are you views on stoning?

    What the Bible says about stoning

    For touching Mount Sinai

    Whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death. Exodus 19:13

    For taking "accursed things"

    Achan ... took of the accursed thing. ... And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones. ... So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger. Joshua 7:1-26

    For cursing or blaspheming

    And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him. Leviticus 24:16

    For adultery (including urban rape victims who fail to scream loud enough)

    If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city. Deuteronomy 22:23-24

    For animals (like an ox that gores a human)

    If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned. Exodus 21:28

    For a woman who is not a virgin on her wedding night

    If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her ... and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel's father shall say ... these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. ... But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die. Deuteronomy 22:13-21

    For worshipping other gods

    If there be found among you ... that ... hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them ... Then shalt thou ... tone them with stones, till they die. Deuteronomy 17:2-5

    If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers ... thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 13:5-10

    For disobeying parents

    If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother ... Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city ... And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 21:18-21

    For witches and wizards

    A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:27

    For giving your children to Molech

    Whosoever ... giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones. Leviticus 20:2

    For breaking the Sabbath

    They found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. ... And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones.... And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses. Numbers 15:32-56

    For cursing the king

    Thou didst blaspheme God and the king. And then carry him out, and stone him, that he may die. 1 Kings 21:10


    As you said, it's black and white. No gray areas, eh? So, tell me, which stoning rituals, as dictated by your Bible, do you customarily engage in?
  4. If as described in the christian bible god is omnipotent he made gays. i find it amusing that the person who wrote most of the bible could have been gay himself:
    A Bishop Speaks
    John Shelby Spong

    Was the Apostle Paul Gay?
    Excerpted from "Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism" with permission of HarperSanFrancisco.

    Nothing about Paul was moderate. He was tightly drawn, passionately emotional, filled with enormous feelings of self-negativity, seeking to deal with those feelings in the timehonored way of external controls, unflagging religious zeal, and rigid discipline. He could not, however, master the passions that consumed him.
    What were these passions? There is no doubt in my mind that they were sexual in nature, but what kind of sexual passions were they? Searching once again through the writings of Paul, some conclusions begin to emerge that startle and surprise the reader. Paul's passions seemed to be incapable of being relieved. Why was that? Paul himself had written that if one "could not exercise self-control" that person should marry. "For it is better to marry than to be aflame with passion" (1 Cor. 7:9). But we have no evidence from any source that Paul ever married. Indeed, he exhorts widows and the unmarried to "remain single as I do" (1 Cor. 7:8). A primary purpose of sexual activity in marriage, according to Paul, was to keep Satan from tempting people "through lack of self-control" (1 Cor. 7:5). Why, when Paul seemed to be so consumed with a passion he could not control, would he not take his own advice and alleviate that passion in marriage? He did write that marriage was an acceptable, if not ideal, way of life. Still, however, marriage never seemed to loom for him as a possibility.
  5. thunderdog,
    ...and you handle your own finances?

    You mean you can't see the differences in something being literal and an analogy?

    Put the tin foil hat back on.

    What a maroon...
  6. whats a maroon?
  7. Really? And to what would stoning be analogous? How are these blessed scriptures to be taken any less literally than your reference to Obama? How are they any less "black and white" (your words)? I don't have the decoder ring, so please advise. And as I await your response, I'd like to add that I think it is quite fancy of you to pick and choose that which is to be taken literally and that which is to conveniently be analogous.
  8. Christians are not under the law. We are under grace and under a new commandment. This is rather elementary to a believer.

  9. Why am I not surprise that an san fran article would try to make Paul out to be a homosexual.

    For your clarification though, it doesn't matter whether this libelous allegation is true or not, homosexuality is a sin, and like all sin, it begets death.
  10. And does that grace include insufferable self-righteousness and the summary judgment of others?
    #10     Mar 6, 2008