Banning Illegal immigrants? Wouldnt that destroy the US economy

uumm.....i personally think its kind of funny that these ego maniacs in the whitehouse actually think they can ban illegal immigrants......they have been doin a wonderful job this far what makes think they are going to be able to do any better of a job just cause they decide to pass some legislation...everytime they pass some dumb law it just makes the problem worse.....i am thinkin their banning of immigrants is gonna work just about as well as their banning of illegal substances........and unless they build a great wall of mexico, there aint no stoppin people comin to america for the dream of fame, fortune and prosperity

 

You make excellent observations, but the payroll taxes that jackbyrd was alluding to are clearly more evenly distributed then income tax. In fact most of us contribute the same amount into SS each year as does Bill Gates, wheras 38% of 2003 wage earners had ZERO federal income tax liability.

 

I thought the Whitehouse was in support of a form of amnesty. This issue crosses political boundaries:

-------------------------------------------
FLASHBACK: Dem Senate Leader Harry Reid: 'Our Federal Wallet Stretched To Limit By Illegal Aliens Getting Welfare'

'Even worse, Americans have seen heinous crimes committed by individuals who are here illegally'

August 5, 1993

The Office of Sen. Harry Reid issued the following:

In response to increased terrorism and abuse of social programs by aliens, Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) today introduced the first and only comprehensive immigration reform bill in Congress.

Currently, an alien living illegally in the United States often pays no taxes but receives unemployment, welfare, free medical care and other federal benefits. Recent terrorist acts, including the World Trade Center bombing, have underscored the need to keep violent criminals out of the country.

Reid's bill, the Immigration Stabilization Act of 1993, overhauls the nation's immigration laws and calls for a massive scale-down of immigrants allowed into the country from approximately 800,000 to 300,000.

The bill also changes asylum laws to prevent phony asylum seekers. Reid said the U.S. open door policy is being abused at the expense of honest, working citizens.

"We are a country founded upon fairness and justice," Reid said. "An individual in real threat of torture or long-term incarceration because of his or her political beliefs can still seek asylum. But this bill closes the door to those who want to abuse America's inherent generosity and legal system."

Reid's bill also cracks down on illegal immigration. The 1990 census reported 3.3 million illegal aliens in America. Recent estimates indicate about 2.5 million immigrants illegally entered the United States last year.

"Our borders have overflowed with illegal immigrants placing tremendous burdens on our criminal justice system, schools and social programs," Reid said. "The Immigration and Naturalization Service needs the ability to step up enforcement.

"Our federal wallet is stretched to the limit by illegal aliens getting welfare, food stamps, medical care and other benefits often without paying any taxes.

"Safeguards like welfare and free medical care are in place to boost Americans in need of short-term assistance. These programs were not meant to entice freeloaders and scam artists from around the world. "Even worse, Americans have seen heinous crimes committed by individuals who are here illegally," Reid said.

Specific provisions of Reid's Immigration Stabilization Act include the following:

-- Reduces annual legal immigration levels from approximately 800,000 admissions per year to about 300,000. Relatives other than spouse or minor children will be admitted only if already on immigration waiting lists and their admission does not raise annual immigration levels above 300,000.

-- Reforms asylum rules to prevent aliens from entering the United States illegally under phony "asylum" claims.

-- Expands list of felonies considered "aggravated" felonies requiring exclusion and deportation of criminal aliens. Allows courts to order deportation at time of sentencing.

-- Increases penalties for failing to depart or re-entering the United States after a final order of deportation order. Increases maximum penalties for visa fraud from five years to 10 years.

-- Curtails alien smuggling by authorizing interdiction and repatriation of aliens seeking to enter the United States unlawfully by sea. Increases penalties for alien smuggling.

-- Adds "alien smuggling" to the list of crimes subject to sanctions under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act. Expands the categories of property that are forfeited when used to facilitate the smuggling or harboring of illegal aliens.

-- Clarifies that a person born in the United States to an alien mother who is not a lawful resident is not a U.S. citizen. This will eliminate incentive for pregnant alien women to enter the United States illegally, often at risk to mother and child, for the purpose of acquiring citizenship for the child and accompanying federal financial benefits.

-- Mandates that aliens who cannot demonstrably support themselves without public or private assistance are excludable. This will prevent admission of aliens likely to be dependent on public financial support. This requirement extends to the sponsor of any family sponsored immigrant.

-- Increases border security and patrol officers to 9,900 full-time positions.

 

i hate Bush...but i like the idea of legalizing illegal immigrants.

they need to pay taxes, and be accountable like the rest of the country.

It should be easy and beneficial to be a US citizen...there should be no reason to be illegal.

 

As soon as these people are legal, half of them will lose their cash, under the table jobs. Employers such as landscapers and construction contractors pay these people in cash to avoid payroll and SS taxes. There will be an instant need for another 10 million new illegal aliens to fill these jobs. These new legal immigrants will now compete with Americans for low level jobs.

They need to seal the border NOW. The projections are that in 10 years, another 20 millon will be here. On the news tonight, they interviewed an illegal who had 10 children. That's 150K per year in education alone. It needs to stop.

 

well immigrants sure do contribute to my family's financial well being..hehe

 

You are absolutely right but there is no politician in Washington who is going to sign his/her name to a bill that would build a truly functional barrier to prevent illegals from entering. Imagine the women and children on the Mexican side who will stand by the wall and weep to see their loved ones on the other side as the TV cameras roll. It would be political suicide.

Furthermore, the political parties are looking to the future when the Hispanic vote will sway elections. They are not looking at this as a short term problem. They are looking a few years down the road when the illegals who are here now become voting citizens. If you think your vote is worthless now, just wait a couple years.

Loyal Americans are sitting home and posting messages on the internet to each other proclaiming how horrible this all is. Washington don’t give a rats ass. Neither should you, as it is too late to do anything about it.

I say, if you cant beat ‘em, join em. Lets start looking for ways to become “undocumented”.

 

You can try paying negative "undocumented" taxes on 17 APR :eek:

 

Anyone who thinks this way must live in an area where there is lots of white trash willing to work at the Mconald's, bus the tables, etc etc. Are you sure they are really willing though?

 

Grant them citizenship, put them on the payroll, have them pay taxes.....make them learn english, and put this to rest.

Then draft them into the military, and make Mexico another great state in the Union. Win Win for everyone.