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Discussion in 'Politics' started by sameeh55, Jul 15, 2010.

  1. Are you kidding me!? Third hit on your link, gives the following list:

    Europe
    Jewish Historical Museum, Amsterdam or Jewish Historical Museum, Amsterdam (new site)
    Anne Frank House
    The Jewish Museum of Athens
    Jewish Museum of Austria
    Jewish Museum Hohenems Austria
    The Jewish Museum of Belgium
    Jewish Museum of Greece
    Jewish Museum Frankfurt
    The Jewish Museum, London
    Jewish Museum in Prague - see Virtual Exhibit -
    Rhodes Jewish Museum
    Jewish Museum of Switzerland
    Das Jdische Museum Westfalen
    Gedenkstatten for NS-Opfer in Deutschland (Memorial Museums for Victims of National Socialism in Germay)
    Jewish Museum of Franconia - Fuerth and Schnaittach, Germany
    The Mechelen Museum of Deportation and Resistance
    The Sephardic Museum Toledo, Spain
    The Jewish Museum Venice, Italy
    Venice Jewish Community and Museum
    Izieu Children's Home (La Maison des enfants d'izieu) Memorial Museum
    The Museum of Jewish Culture in Slovakia
    The Manchester Jewish Museum in England
    Jewish Historical Museum Belgrade, Serbia
    Judiska Museet Stockholm, Sweden
    Mediterranean Institute Memory and Archives of Judaism Marseilles, France
    Museum of Judaic Art and History Paris, France
    http://jewishhistory.huji.ac.il/links/jewish_museums.htm

    That's just in Europe. In the US alone, there's another 54 or so museums, and then there's Canada, Australia, etc.

    That's factually incorrect. Although some people certainly fled, the civilians were ordered to stay put by the Arab armies. The Jewish defence forces, mostly terrorist organizations at the time, had to rape, massacre and burn villages in order to force as many civilians as possible to flee. This is heavily documented by Israeli historians.

    You forgot to mention that one of those two peoples mostly consisted of immigrants who came from Europa. Yes, there was also a small minority of local Jews, a lot of which even resisted the European immigrants alongside Christians and Muslims.

    That's inaccurate at best. The land was not stolen by the people we call Palestinians today. Modern day Palestinians has the same ancestors in the same land as the Jews, from before any Jewish identity even came to existence (Cultural, linguistic and genetic evidence exists). The fact that the Romans tossed out some of the people does not in any way legitimate the removal of the other indigenous people. You'd HAVE to be religious to believe that the creation of a Jewish state on that piece of land was legitimate. Either religious or insane. To maintain a state with any predominantly religious or ethnic identity, whether Israeli/Palestinian or Jewish/Muslim is as wrong today. The land needs a non-racial, non-religious government that can serve the peoples regardless of who they are.
     
    #31     Jul 19, 2010
  2. How's that any different from the invention of the "Jewish people"? Or the "Swedish people" or the "German people"? Nationalism involves a strong identification of a group of individuals with a political entity defined in national terms, i.e. a nation. The Palestinian identity was "invented" in the late 19th century/early 20th century, I know you claim it was in 1967, but that's not the point, because it doesn't matter when it was invented. It exists now, it's as legitimate as any nationality and there's nothing you can do about it (unless you want to exterminate all who identify with the identity). Deal with it.
     
    #32     Jul 19, 2010
  3. Yeah exactlty, I don't see the "Jewish achievement museum" on your list. Thanks for confirming that there is no museum for showcasing Jewish achievments...

    Bullshit. There were those who fought, until they got their asses kicked. The others fled when their commrades got their asses kicked. So, when they started a war killing Israelis, lost ,then ran, of course they are not getting their land back... LOL!!! It's not like israelis just rolled up on them and started knocking off villages to take the land. These people attacked Israel, and were rightfully defeated. The remaining cowards ran away after they had attacked.

    Quit with the strawmen, no one said it was stolen by the same people we call "Palestinians" today. Who cares if it consisted of people who had moved from Europe. WTF does that matter.. No the romans tossing jews out doesnt legitimize the removal of another people. The pals attacking and trying to eliminate them, then getting their sorry asses kicked and running away does however.

    Well I guess you are saying the UK, France, and the UN are very religious since they are the ones who created a Jewish state on that piece of land...


     
    #33     Jul 19, 2010
  4. There was no "Arab Palestinian" history before the Arabs manufactured one shortly after 1948, and then especially after the June 1967 Arab-Israeli War! In an interview with the Dutch newspaper "Trau" (March 31, 1977), PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein said, "The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct 'Palestinian people' to oppose Zionism. It is also been a "conceptual" war for ownership of the term "Palestinian" which has been transferred over to the Arabs whereas, before 1967, "Palestine" has always been synonymous with Eretz Israel and the Land of Israel.

     
    #34     Jul 19, 2010
  5. Jewish art, scientific contributions, etc. are considerable achievements, and they are -always- showcased in these museums. Look them up, I did.

    The last time I tried to debate this issue with you, I brought some facts to the table and you fled. Let's try again. The quotes are backed up by IDF archives that show there was tons of incidents of rapes, massacres and burning of villages. If you're too lazy to read all of it, just read the highlighted text in the quotes.

    There's no strawmen. Mister a_person did not say that the Palestinians stole the land, he conveniently left it out.

    The Palestinians were facing immigrants who openly and without remorse came to the land with the purpose of replacing the indigenous population. Yes, some Palestinians fought them (Like anybody else would fight for their land and livelihood anywhere in the world), but very far from all did. Yet, the majority of Palestinians were removed, according to the plan the Zionists had laid out long before 1948. Is it a coincidence that the Zionists laid out plans for removing the population, and later on did remove the population? Stop playing a lawyer, get real.

    The UK and France were guilt-ridden. For the Jewish people, the Holocaust was a horrific tragedy of epic proportions. For the Zionists, it was the best thing that could ever happen.
     
    #35     Jul 19, 2010
  6. These statements contravened the PLO charter, which affirms the existence of a Palestinian people with national rights (wikipedia). Mister Zuheir Mohsen was an Arab nationalist fighting for Arab unity. He was loyal to Syrian-Baathist ideology, and he probably said this because he recognized that the Palestinian identity would be a threat to Pan-Arabism. He's no authority on the issue, just another man with another agenda. Not unlike yourself, he says anything to push that agenda, true or false.

    Factually, he's wrong. Information on this is available everywhere. For instance, here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Palestinian_people
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_nationalism
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestinian_nationality
     
    #36     Jul 19, 2010