Back to the Basics

Discussion in 'Educational Resources' started by Brandonf, May 18, 2003.

  1. Brandonf

    Brandonf Sponsor

    Good Trades, Bad Trades. Winning Trades, Losing Trades.
    Many people think that a winning trade is a good trade, and a losing trade is a bad trade. This can be a very unprofitable and naive view.
    A more successful way to look at your trades (IMHO) is to view a good trade as any trade in which you followed your trading plan precisely. Of course, you must also have confidence that your trading plan is sound, and will be profitable over the long term.
    A bad trade is any trade in which you did not follow your trading plan, regardless of whether the trade was profitable or not. This is a very important point. The most dangerous trades are trades in which you did not follow your trading plan, but managed to close out profitably. Why are these dangerous? They reinforce the idea that you can 'wing it', or ignore your stop-loss limit, or wait a little longer for the market to turn when your system tells you to GET OUT! By ignoring your system, you have failed. By ignoring your system, you have lost your structured plan which ensures that you can trade reproducibly day after day without emotion. In short, by not following your well thought-out trading plan, you have given in to the emotion of the moment. This is a dangerous and losing path to follow.
    Conversely, by following your plan, you have eliminated emotion from your trading. Over time, you can modify your trading approach to reflect your increased understanding of the market and to build in the lessons you have learned from your previous winning and losing trades. However, you will modify your trading plan when the market is closed after carefully reviewing your reasons for the change. You will not be giving in to emotion by changing your trading plan 'on-the-fly' during the trading day on a whim.
    Hopefully, this concept is clear. A 'losing' trade can be a 'good' trade. Simply follow your plan.
     
    #91     May 21, 2003
  2. Brandonf

    Brandonf Sponsor

    I find the NYSE Tick indicator to be one of the most reliable weapons in my trading arsenal. The Tick is a simple measure of upticking vs downticking stocks on the NYSE. When used correctly it is very powerful.
    Most people, when using Tick, simply apply it as an overbought, oversold indicator. The general idea is that anything over +1000 is overbought and anything under -1000 is said to be oversold. This however is an extremely broad application. In normal market conditions these numbers work well, but at certain times they will change. For example in a strongly downtrending market, we usually don't see oversold reactions until about -1200 Tick, and on the upside around +500 we start to see overbought reactions and bring in selling. The overbought/oversold application is valuable, but you must keep market conditions in mind.

    A more consistent way to use Tick is by following intraday charts. I normally use a 2-minute and 5-minute chart. You can use this in much the same way you would follow a chart. Look for support, resistance and intraday trends. When Tick comes to an area of support or an area of resistance it is very helpful to time your entry accordingly. When we look at the trend our concern is which way is it going. Are we seeing higher highs and higher lows, lower lows and lower highs, or is it sideways, ranging broadly between areas of support and resistance. If it is uptrending we might be more aggressive with our positions on the long side of the market, and less aggressive in going after shorts, or visa versa in a downtrend. When the tick is sideways we would be in a scalping mindset, or setting on the sidelines waiting for a breakout in either direction as our confirmation to where the easiest money is to be found. The third way of using Tick is the closest thing to a living cash cow.
     
    #92     May 21, 2003
  3. Brandon,
    As I write, I am sitting at my new job as a prop trader in NYC. Trading for my second day ever!! The strategies that we implement here are "proprietary" (whatever that means) and by that I mean we use filters to help us find trades. As I am new, I am only supposed to focus on certain filters and not do much trading on news. In reality everyone around me is trading on news, and other stuff but guess they are more experienced, eventhough most of them lose. I guess my problem is that I am having a hard time finding good entry points. It is ironic that you have most recently left the post above about using intra-day tick charts because that is exactly what I have been trying to do myself. I have been looking at the 1-minute tick chart and 5-minute tick chart. I try to look for support/resistance levels and then make a call based on that. In retrospect it is easy to see these levels, but in real-time it is not so easy. I am dying here....I want to put in trades, but my discipline is telling me not to because I cannot justify them other than the fact that I want a little action and do not want to be bored. What are your gleanings? Please help.
     
    #93     May 21, 2003
  4. monee

    monee

    Great thread Brandon!

    Excellent points on the technical and psychological aspects of trading.

    Something I have found is that when one has another income besides trading it makes following the rules much easier.

    Realizing it is a game where you must have an edge ,and then let probabilities take care of growing your account.When one is in a position of having another income it is easier to accept that each loser really doesn't matter(as long as a reasonable win$/loss $ ratio exists) and ones methods have a positive expectancy.

    I'm not sure as ones account grows this will always be necessary. I guess it depends on how much your position size increases.If your position size increased very little relative to your trading account size the length of a losing streak could be longer without crippling the account thereby taking much of the emotional pressure off.
     
    #94     May 22, 2003
  5. (as long as a reasonable win$/loss $ ratio exists)

    Why dollar Signs? Think in "points".

    Michael B.
     
    #95     May 22, 2003
  6. monee

    monee

    Micheal :

    You are right.

    Believe it or not, I do think in points and only write in terms of points in my journal.

    For some reason when I'm discussing it with others I speak in dollars.Maybe there is some psychological flaw hiding in this slip?:)
     
    #96     May 22, 2003
  7. Ditch

    Ditch

    I really don't share many people's particular enthusiasm for the TICK. In my experience it's an indicator that lags the Es by a couple of seconds, so anything you can get from watching the tick, you get earlier by watching the Es. Trading divergences on the tick has a succes rate of 50%, i estimate , so that doesn't give you much of an edge either, imo the TICKI does a better job of enhancing entries and exits.
     
    #97     May 22, 2003
  8. Loukas

    Loukas

    Brandon,

    As a seasoned professional I find the knowledge you are sharing under this topic (but also in general), very helpful and stimulating, even if its just a review of basic concepts for me. I therefore congratulate you on your efforts to share your market knowledge with others on these boards, for free.

    I believe the point here is to look for what we can GET out of these posts, rather than bicker as to whether you are promoting your site or not. Afterall, what's the harm with that, since you are giving back to the community of EliteTrader.

    Those who do not wish to read you can just put you on ignore.

    But please keep posting for the rest of us, I'm sure many active and silent (like myself most of the time) members are reading and enjoying your posts. Both newbies and more experienced.

    Loukas
     
    #98     May 22, 2003
  9. bubba7

    bubba7

    just to put it all in a constructive and creative manner see attached.
     
    #99     May 22, 2003
  10. Brandonf

    Brandonf Sponsor

    If you make a map of success it will help you get there faster and keep you on the right track as you are on the road. Setting goals is important in all aspects of life, trading included, if you are to be successful.
    By setting goals you identify the things you want. Not only that, but you identify how you are going to get what you want.

    Grab a pen and paper now and determine the following things.

    What do you want to accomplish with your trading this week, this month, this year and in five years.

    Why do you want to achieve these goals.

    What steps are you going to take to reach these goals.

    What are you doing right now which is preventing you from reaching these goals.

    Review this often to keep them fresh in your mind.

    Brandon

    PS, I'm supposed to be on something of a vacation right now, so I won't be spending too much time here. I see a few questions and I will get back to them as soon as I return (Monday night)
     
    #100     May 23, 2003