Back test your decision to use back testing

Discussion in 'Index Futures' started by mikeriley, Aug 30, 2023.

  1. danielc1

    danielc1

    Most data that people use for backtesting is a representation of what has happened in the past. That representation is simplified to give a comprehension model that most people would understand. For example: Open, High, Low, Close on a chart. Maybe with volume, bid-ask, delta, and even fundamentals. Now all those data points are in no way all that happens during a trading session. Every tick recorded is just that, a recorded tick. It doesn't tell you 'why' it moved, 'how' it moved, and by 'who' it moved...

    It is like learning to drive a car by looking at a recorded GPS tracking device. Now, if you know how to drive a car, a GPS is great. But no person will learn how to drive a car by just looking at all the different scenarios a GPS will get you to your destination. That is what backtesting is.
     
    #11     Aug 31, 2023
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  2. Good Morning danielc1.

    If back testing a system or trading idea or trading method for edge or profitability does not make a trader a profitable trader, please explain what makes a trader a profitable trader?

    Thank you.
     
    #12     Aug 31, 2023
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  3. Good Morning oraclewizard77,

    This is a very good statement. I like Always in. I am Always in trader. I have no special setup or no edge or anything. I just do what makes sense in real time.

    I actually agree with you this on statement. @MarkBrown suggest this to me as well.

    I think searching for a setup(s) is overrated. I learn nothing doing this.

    I learn and make the most money from Over Trading and Revenge Trading and doing it all day too.
     
    #13     Aug 31, 2023
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  4. danielc1

    danielc1

    Besides the mindset and knowing who you are and how you react in every circumstance?

    A true belief in cutting losers and running winners and a real understanding of probabilities.
     
    #14     Aug 31, 2023
  5. Hello danielc1,

    Thank you
     
    #15     Aug 31, 2023
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  6. taowave

    taowave

    Are you saying you can find a random destination better without GPS than with?


     
    #16     Aug 31, 2023
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  7. danielc1

    danielc1

    Haha, no...
    But what are you with the directions of a GPS to a random destination, if you do not know how to drive a car? People believe the directions (backtest result) of a GPS (backtesting software) will teach them to drive (trading) the car to that destination. That is how absurd backtesting is...
     
    #17     Aug 31, 2023
  8. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    LOL GPS is not only BACKWARD looking.
     
    #18     Aug 31, 2023
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  9. danielc1

    danielc1

    Yeah, know that feeling... my GPS also tries to steer me onto roads that need to be built in the future.
     
    #19     Aug 31, 2023
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    LOL;
    old school paper maps can help, even though they time stamp those, good.
    I look for patterns anywhere.
    Average tractor trailer is 72'= + most drive much better than the pleasure drivers.
    Except the union made mess =Yellow Freight trainwreck:caution::caution:
     
    #20     Aug 31, 2023
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