Avoiding pregnancy is a key component of women's health

Discussion in 'Politics' started by dbphoenix, Aug 21, 2014.

  1. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    Your inability to answer the question suggests that you haven't thought it through (if you have, then you need only answer the question).

    As to my opinion, a zygote is not a human being, but even if it were, 60% of zygotes are never implanted in the uterus, so what difference does it make?

    As to the abortion of an embryo or a fetus, that's a legal question, not a moral one, and none of my business. If you want to get moral about it, that's your choice. But you have no right to tell someone else what to do in this regard as long as they are following the law.
     
    #61     Aug 28, 2014
  2. Wallet

    Wallet

    That's what the Nazi's said about the Jews.

    Abortion is Infanticide, just tell it like it is ........... a baby's right to life is denied under the pretext of women's healthcare. Healthcare? not so much for the baby.... there's an oxymoron....

    I think the number is over 50 Million babies killed now in the US since 1973...... something to be proud of no doubt :(

    God Forgive Us.
     
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    #62     Aug 28, 2014
  3. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    Depends, again, on how one defines "baby". If a zygote is a human being, then, carried to its logical extreme, this argument could result in one's being sent to jail for taking a shower.
     
    #63     Aug 29, 2014
  4. DB wrote: " As to the abortion of an embryo or a fetus, that's a legal question, not a moral one, and none of my business. If you want to get moral about it, that's your choice. But you have no right to tell someone else what to do in this regard as long as they are following the law. "

    Circular reasoning at its finest. The law sets a minimum standard, one that allows a living being with a beating heart to be killed. Many feel that bar is set way too low, that there should be some reflection on what is about to happen, eg see a sonogram of the living fetus.

    Leaving the law aside, it is mystifying how hostile liberals are to any solution to a problem pregnancy other than abortion.
     
    #64     Aug 29, 2014
  5. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    In what way?
     
    #65     Aug 29, 2014
  6. You are constantly lecturing us from a position of imagined moral supriority on every issue imaginable, yet when it comes to abortion, the only standard is what is legal right this minute. No other criticism or considerations are permitted.

    Morality informs law. It is the basis of much if not all of the criminal law. That morality has to come from somewhere. Most of it in our tradition comes from the Christian-Judeo ethic.

    If you want to criticize abortion restrictions as imposing religion on people, you might as well say the same thing about laws against murder, theft, prostitution, child pron, etc. All are based on religously derived concepts of morality.
     
    #66     Aug 29, 2014
  7. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    In May of 2013, Texas had 41 licensed abortion clinics to serve its more than 5 million women of reproductive age. On Monday, if a major provision of a new anti-abortion law goes into effect, the state will be left with only seven clinics--all concentrated in urban areas of the sprawling state.

    A federal judge is expected to rule in the next several days on HB2, a law signed by Gov. Rick Perry (R) in 2013 that requires all abortions to take place in ambulatory surgical centers (ASCs), or mini-hospitals. Most of the 19 abortion clinics that remain in the state cannot afford to undergo the extensive renovations and pay the monthly operating costs to become an ASC, so they will have to close.

    The new law also bans abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy, requires abortion providers to obtain admitting privileges at a local hospital, and limits how doctors can administer non-surgical medication abortions.


    The Center for Reproductive Rights filed a lawsuit earlier this year against the admitting privileges provision of the law and the provision requiring clinics to become ASCs. The group claims that the law is not designed to protect women's health, but to eliminate access to safe and legal abortions across the state.

    "This is a battle to stop the politicians who have already done devastating and potentially irreparable harm to the health care system for women in Texas from obliterating it entirely for millions of women statewide,” said Nancy Northup, CEO of the Center for Reproductive Rights, in a statement earlier this month.

    Republican lawmakers have claimed that the new law is necessary for women's safety. But two of the state's expert witnesses, Drs. Mayra Jimenez Thompson and James Anderson, admitted to having been coached by Vincent Rue, an anti-abortion marriage therapist who has been discredited as a witness in previous abortion cases. According to Mother Jones, Rue has claimed that abortion "reescalates the battle between the sexes" and "increases bitterness toward men."

    If the judge allows HB2 to go into effect, large swaths of the state will be without an abortion provider. The Huffington Post reported earlier this year that "back-alley" abortions are already making a comeback in the state, particularly in the Southwest part of Texas near the Mexico border. Because women in the Rio Grande Valley already have to drive roughly 250 miles to the nearest abortion clinic in San Antonio, some have opted to buy abortion-inducing pills on the black market and administer them themselves.

    Women's health advocates worry that a lack of access will drive women to illegal, unsafe clinics, or bring back the days of women using sharp objects to end their pregnancies as they did before abortion became legal in 1973.

    "Women will resort to other means to try to terminate a pregnancy, which will put their lives at risk," Hal Lawrence, CEO of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, told reporters this week.

    Laura Bassett
     
    #67     Aug 29, 2014
  8. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    Actually, forty years. And if you want to change the law, then by all means do so. But we are not yet a theocracy.

    Yet.
     
    #68     Aug 29, 2014
  9. jem

    jem

    db you didn't answer the very simple question ... do abortions kill human beings.
     
    #69     Aug 29, 2014
  10. jem

    jem

    Its not a measure of theocracy.. its a matter of thinking, feeling people vs. barbarism. Let us start with the easy parts of the issue. Partial birth abortion is not the killing of zygotes its partial birth infanticide. Its sanctioned killing of a human being. There is no pretty spin to put on it. You can't really get worked up over any genocide in history if you can't get worked up over killing new born human beings.

    Now lets talk about the killing of viable babies.
    How is it a theocracy to protect life, innocent life?

    Let us get to the truth instead of leftist bullshit.
    You are in favor of letting a mom kill her baby / human being for whatever reasons she wishes. Don't even think opposing that is some sort wish for a theocracy. It is a wish for decency.


     
    #70     Aug 29, 2014