Avoiding pregnancy is a key component of women's health

Discussion in 'Politics' started by dbphoenix, Aug 21, 2014.

  1. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    * crickets chirping *










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    #141     Sep 4, 2014
  2. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Still waiting on where in the Bible any of this is.
     
    #142     Sep 4, 2014

  3. Yeah, me too.
     
    #143     Sep 4, 2014
  4. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    Well now if one wanted to know what the "Bible" had to say about "abortion", what words might one use in order to find out?
     
    #144     Sep 4, 2014
  5. I did some research and came up with this:

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    What the Bible says about Abortion
    Abortion is not murder. A fetus is not considered a human life.
    If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life. -- Exodus 21:22-23
    The Bible places no value on fetuses or infants less than one month old.
    And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver. -- Leviticus 27:6
    Fetuses and infants less than one month old are not considered persons.
    Number the children of Levi after the house of their fathers, by their families: every male from a month old and upward shalt thou number them. And Moses numbered them according to the word of the LORD. -- Numbers 3:15-16
    God sometimes approves of killing fetuses.
    And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. -- Numbers 31:15-17
    (Some of the non-virgin women must have been pregnant. They would have been killed along with their unborn fetuses.)
    Give them, O LORD: what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts. -- Hosea 9:14
    Yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb. -- Hosea 9:16
    Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up. -- Hosea 13:16
    God sometimes kills newborn babies to punish their parents.
    Because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die. -- 2 Samuel 12:14
    God sometimes causes abortions by cursing unfaithful wives.
    The priest shall say unto the woman, The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell. And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen. ...
    And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people. And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed. -- Numbers 5:21-21, 27-28
    God's law sometimes requires the execution (by burning to death) of pregnant women.
    Tamar thy daughter in law hath played the harlot; and also, behold, she is with child by whoredom. And Judah said, Bring her forth, and let her be burnt. -- Genesis 38:24
    http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/abortion.html

    Frankly, I am not very impressed. The first quote seems to say that the mother's life is more valuable than the unborn baby's. That seems a far cry from saying God approves of abortion. The ones about not valuing babies less than a month old, etc probably just reflect the high infant mortality rates of the era rather than any moral judgment. Similarly the quote about executing women who were not virgins. This is the Old Testament and the section dealt with executing enemies. No males were to be spared, even in the womb.
     
    #145     Sep 4, 2014
  6. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    If the "saying" part refers to me, that's not what I said. Evaluate the material without prejudice.

    But kudos for actually looking it up.
     
    #146     Sep 4, 2014
  7. fhl

    fhl

    The whole analysis is bs from the start. It says 'what the bible says about abortion' and then it doesn't say a single thing about abortion. Miscarriage is not abortion. And i don't care what atheist can be sited that says it is. They are not the same thing.

    In addition, everyone was guilty under the old testament after the law was given, and without the system of animal blood sacrifices, everyone deserved to die.
     
    #147     Sep 4, 2014
  8. Ricter

    Ricter

    I just read this as "avoiding presidency..." : )
     
    #148     Sep 4, 2014
  9. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Yeah, we all pretty much know that. But dp will take any "out" he can get.
     
    #149     Sep 4, 2014
  10. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    Again, what I said was "I was interested in learning that the Bible doesn't consider a baby to be a living being until it has taken its first breath after the birth process. Not only that, it provides instructions for inducing miscarriage." What others take away from what they read is entirely theirs. But since AAA is the only one who's bothered, there isn't likely to be much discussion, if any.
     
    #150     Sep 4, 2014