Avoiding pregnancy is a key component of women's health

Discussion in 'Politics' started by dbphoenix, Aug 21, 2014.

  1. jem

    jem

    being that the piece of satire is called a 'modest proposal" and I asked you a "modest" question... your response seems a bit dense.

     
    #131     Sep 1, 2014
  2. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    Given your most recent issues with regard to defining "human being", my response seemed appropriate.
     
    #132     Sep 1, 2014
  3. jem

    jem

    exactly -- I had an issue because you did manifest an understanding of the difference between killing and murder... and now you were dense below.

     
    #133     Sep 1, 2014
  4. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    Speaking of which, I was interested in learning that the Bible doesn't consider a baby to be a living being until it has taken its first breath after the birth process. Not only that, it provides instructions for inducing miscarriage. So I guess the entire discussion was moot.
     
    #134     Sep 1, 2014
  5. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    A few months later, Posner, again along with two other judges, reviewed the validity of a brand-new Wisconsin law requiring doctors who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at nearby hospitals. The law, if valid, would make it much more difficult for clinics in Wisconsin to provide abortion services because, of the four clinics in the entire state that perform abortions, two would have been shut down. Although the case came to the court on a preliminary motion (an emergency stay had been granted by the lower court), Posner took the opportunity to demonstrate why he thought the plaintiffs would eventually prevail.

    In affirming the stay, Posner noted that “no documentation of medical need for such an admitting privileges requirement was presented to the Wisconsin legislature when the bill that became the law was introduced.” He also noted that no “other procedure performed outside a hospital, even one as invasive as a surgical abortion (such as a colonoscopy) … and even if performed when the patient is under general anesthesia … is required by Wisconsin law to be performed by doctors who have admitting privileges at hospitals within a specified, or indeed any, radius of the clinic at which the procedure is performed.” Posner added that the risks of colonoscopies are three to six times greater than the risks of abortions (yet doctors can perform them in outpatient centers without having admitting privileges), and that, based on a report by the state, out of 1,192 abortions that were reported, there were only 16 complications, a rate of less than 1 percent.

    Throughout the opinion, Posner implied, though didn’t go as far as to conclude, that the obvious purpose of the law was not to further women’s health but simply to make abortions more difficult to obtain. For example, on the issue of the timing of the law, he said “it has been 40 years sinceRoe v. Wade … was decided, legalizing (most) abortion throughout the United States, and it could not have taken the State of Wisconsin all this time to discover the supposed hazards of abortions performed by doctors who do not have admitting privileges at a nearby hospital.”


    Posner saw through the litigation and the alleged health benefits of the admitting privileges law. His opinion will make it virtually impossible for Wisconsin to win this case if and when it returns for a final disposition, and rightfully so.
     
    #135     Sep 2, 2014
  6. jem

    jem

    you misunderstand jurisprudence.
    the wisconsin supreme court will not be bound by Posner's ruling. It can do what it wishes.

    However, it may be influenced by the the power of his analysis.
    An analysis that reminded me of the leftist cliche Obama sucks but Bush is worse argument.

    The real analysis should have considered how often and how seriously some abortions endanger the mother or the child lives (if it survives) and if it would be medically useful for doctors to have admitting privileges.
    Regardless of whether the legislature reviewed that material.. the court could have taken judicial notice of it.
     
    #136     Sep 2, 2014
  7. jem

    jem

    interesting... can you provide the links to the passages.
    I believe you are using bibles with dumbed down interpretations of the greek word... koy-lee'-ah.

    however, lets not mistake that fact that partial birth abortion is simply legal infanticide and you don't have to believe in God to find that barbaric.



     
    #137     Sep 2, 2014

  8. Could you provide a cite for that?
     
    #138     Sep 2, 2014
  9. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    I laugh every time I see this thread's title.
     
    #139     Sep 2, 2014
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  10. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Where does it say that?
     
    #140     Sep 3, 2014