You might also point out that women "kill" untold numbers of potential human beings every time they menstruate. But nobody gets all worked up into a moral how-do-you-do about it. Eventually, we'll be killing billions of potential human beings every time we bathe.
your flip attempt at flipping the script made no sense. I know I am not perfect and that I am sinner. I never try to sit in judgement of what God is going to do. that is between a person and God. I believe in a very merciful God and I am not so sure he does not give people a chance to accept him even after death. I suspect God can and will forgive can even abortionists. So don't go trying a pin me with that crap. However, I am judgmental about some of things I have the capacity to judge. I can judge someone's citizenship. I can judge for whom I will vote and why. I can judge when someone is troll or lying about economics.
Well of course I could never pin that tail on you. Judgment is an easily forgivable offense, and thankfully all of us humans will get knocked off our moral high horses sooner or later, and from time to time, It's just an inevitable part of our perpetual education. The best students allow themselves to get knocked off easily and often. As for this black girl, who threw her baby in the trash- I know you didn't refer to her as an animal, and you don't think her and her supporters are a bunch of sick fucks. I was referring to Tsing and Maxipad when I spoke of those particular judgments, but you being a loyal and friend were there to take up arms in their defense. We don't know what was going through her head when she took those pills, or when she delivered her still baby, and thankfully, we will always remain blissfully ignorant of such painful knowledge. We know two things for certain- all abortions are not necessary, while some perhaps are. A friend of mine frequents women prisons, attempting to provide counsel to those who have used rather primitive and gruesome methods to perform self abortions while in their cells. Their stories are often similar. No hope, no security, no plan, no money, no man, no support, no help... Women are vulnerable creatures, and willing to do things in a man's world to gain acceptance. They are not always prepared for the aftermath, and often are left alone to make their decisions. Perhaps much of this will change for the better when Hilary takes office...
It is a melancholy object to those, who walk through this great town, or travel in the country, when they see the streets, the roads and cabbin-doors crowded with beggars of the female sex, followed by three, four, or six children, all in rags, and importuning every passenger for an alms. These mothers instead of being able to work for their honest livelihood, are forced to employ all their time in stroling to beg sustenance for their helpless infants who, as they grow up, either turn thieves for want of work, or leave their dear native country, to fight for the Pretender in Spain, or sell themselves to the Barbadoes. I think it is agreed by all parties, that this prodigious number of children in the arms, or on the backs, or at the heels of their mothers, and frequently of their fathers, is in the present deplorable state of the kingdom, a very great additional grievance; and therefore whoever could find out a fair, cheap and easy method of making these children sound and useful members of the common-wealth, would deserve so well of the publick, as to have his statue set up for a preserver of the nation. But my intention is very far from being confined to provide only for the children of professed beggars: it is of a much greater extent, and shall take in the whole number of infants at a certain age, who are born of parents in effect as little able to support them, as those who demand our charity in the streets. As to my own part, having turned my thoughts for many years, upon this important subject, and maturely weighed the several schemes of our projectors, I have always found them grossly mistaken in their computation. It is true, a child just dropt from its dam, may be supported by her milk, for a solar year, with little other nourishment: at most not above the value of two shillings, which the mother may certainly get, or the value in scraps, by her lawful occupation of begging; and it is exactly at one year old that I propose to provide for them in such a manner, as, instead of being a charge upon their parents, or the parish, or wanting food and raiment for the rest of their lives, they shall, on the contrary, contribute to the feeding, and partly to the cloathing of many thousands. There is likewise another great advantage in my scheme, that it will prevent those voluntary abortions, and that horrid practice of women murdering their bastard children, alas! too frequent among us, sacrificing the poor innocent babes, I doubt, more to avoid the expence than the shame, which would move tears and pity in the most savage and inhuman breast. The number of souls in this kingdom being usually reckoned one million and a half, of these I calculate there may be about two hundred thousand couple whose wives are breeders; from which number I subtract thirty thousand couple, who are able to maintain their own children, (although I apprehend there cannot be so many, under the present distresses of the kingdom) but this being granted, there will remain an hundred and seventy thousand breeders. I again subtract fifty thousand, for those women who miscarry, or whose children die by accident or disease within the year. There only remain an hundred and twenty thousand children of poor parents annually born. The question therefore is, How this number shall be reared, and provided for? which, as I have already said, under the present situation of affairs, is utterly impossible by all the methods hitherto proposed. For we can neither employ them in handicraft or agriculture; we neither build houses, (I mean in the country) nor cultivate land: they can very seldom pick up a livelihood by stealing till they arrive at six years old; except where they are of towardly parts, although I confess they learn the rudiments much earlier; during which time they can however be properly looked upon only as probationers: As I have been informed by a principal gentleman in the county of Cavan, who protested to me, that he never knew above one or two instances under the age of six, even in a part of the kingdom so renowned for the quickest proficiency in that art. I am assured by our merchants, that a boy or a girl before twelve years old, is no saleable commodity, and even when they come to this age, they will not yield above three pounds, or three pounds and half a crown at most, on the exchange; which cannot turn to account either to the parents or kingdom, the charge of nutriments and rags having been at least four times that value. I shall now therefore humbly propose my own thoughts, which I hope will not be liable to the least objection. I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in London, that a young healthy child well nursed, is, at a year old, a most delicious nourishing and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled; and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricasie, or a ragoust. I do therefore humbly offer it to publick consideration, that of the hundred and twenty thousand children, already computed, twenty thousand may be reserved for breed, whereof only one fourth part to be males; which is more than we allow to sheep, black cattle, or swine, and my reason is, that these children are seldom the fruits of marriage, a circumstance not much regarded by our savages, therefore, one male will be sufficient to serve four females. That the remaining hundred thousand may, at a year old, be offered in sale to the persons of quality and fortune, through the kingdom, always advising the mother to let them suck plentifully in the last month, so as to render them plump, and fat for a good table. A child will make two dishes at an entertainment for friends, and when the family dines alone, the fore or hind quarter will make a reasonable dish, and seasoned with a little pepper or salt, will be very good boiled on the fourth day, especially in winter. more . . . Jonathan Swift, 1729
I find it ironic that liberals want to regulate every aspect of our lives, right down to how much water we use to flush a toilet, yet they bitch and moan over regulations governing abortion mills. The article DB pasted from this bottom feeder even mentioned a serious medical emergency at a clinic, yet they complain about having to have admitting privileges at a hospital, which is a pretty basic qualification for most physicians.
db I have a modest question... might you or your pro baby killing buddies be the --- american acquaintance? "I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in London, that a young healthy child well nursed, is, at a year old, a most delicious nourishing and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled; and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricasie, or a ragoust."