Avoiding buying gap downs

Discussion in 'Order Execution' started by mvalley, Dec 4, 2006.

  1. dchang0

    dchang0

    Would IB's conditional orders be useful? I wanted to use them for a very similar situation (to create a "synthetic" stop-limit order) but wasn't able to because I use the Java API, which doesn't support conditional orders.

    But the Excel DDE link to TWS does support conditional orders. You could possibly set an entry "window" such as:

    if price < entry point
    and price > entry point - 10 cents
    trigger a limit order to buy

    You get my drift...
     
    #11     Dec 5, 2006
  2. (I know I'm going to get a lot of flak about saying this, but....)

    For the most part, backtesting is meaningless to making money. You can't possibly take into consideration all the variables involved to attempt to "prove" much of anything. Why backtest without taking into consideration such basics as VIX for each time frame, $$ valuations at each time frame, "Peer groups" RS, mergers, political climate, and on and on.

    I have seen too many smart people spend a lot of time "testing" - only to find that when they attempt to trade with the results, they don't make a nickel. The market is a living-breathing thing with so many factors to consider, that even if you find a workable pattern to follow, by the time you try to trade it, it's just too late.

    We encourage our traders to learn "what works" and then spend time to maximize profits via order entry techniques and automation where applicable. If something works, and is making me money, I would rather spend time making money than backtesting to see "why" it's making money.

    Once again, there are always exceptions to what I'm trying to say here.

    Also, we "do" a lot of reviewing historicals for correlated pairs trading, which gives us a clear analytical view for current trading.

    BTW is MVALLEY = Mill Valley CA? Just curious.

    All the best,

    Don
     
    #12     Dec 6, 2006
  3. Retief

    Retief

    We encourage our traders to learn "what works" and then spend time to maximize profits via order entry techniques and automation where applicable. If something works, and is making me money, I would rather spend time making money than backtesting to see "why" it's making money.

    How do you know "what works" unless it has been backtested? Do you forward test by papertrading to see what has been working recently?
     
    #13     Dec 7, 2006
  4. mvalley

    mvalley

    Yeah, I use back testing to figure out "what works" as well. I don't think I really know "why" it works from the backtesting, just that the particular formulas that I'm using are profitable in the past

    The trick is then making sure the entry and exit prices match up on the forward testing.

    Then, you're home free.

    -Mike
     
    #14     Dec 7, 2006