Average Gain per trade?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by c_verm, Oct 17, 2003.

  1. Ebo

    Ebo

    Ertrader:

    They did not mention the .02-.05 they lose per trade.
    Don't believe 3/4 of this BS.
     
    #31     Oct 19, 2003
  2. ertrader1

    ertrader1 Guest

    LOL....Of course i dont fall for the bullst. I know the ones who truely trade for a living on Et.
     
    #32     Oct 19, 2003
  3. Daryn

    Daryn

    Don,

    You bring up some very interesting points. I believe the average profitable Bright trader makes 1-3 cents per share net of all costs. Correct me if I am wrong.

    Some people say that is is crazy trading for such a small gain and you are much better off looking for a quarter to a point while using a stop of .25-.40. But if we were to take a look at their numbers at the end of the month I have discovered that they too average 1-3 cents per share traded more often than not. So I guess it all comes down to personal style.

    I think the scalper has an advantage in that he has many more opportunities throughout the day than the longer time frame trader. The drawback to scalping is that one big loss (ie. .25 cents) can can ruin your day.

    One thing I have never been able to get out of you is how much you are willing to risk on a trade where you are trying to scalp a nickel or a dime. Your standard response had always been "read the tape" but surely you must have an uncle point somewhere? Or at least what you think is a reasonable uncle point for normally capitalized traders (not billions like yourself... lol). If you were to apply the standard bit about 2:1 risk to reward your would be getting out every time a stock went against you 2-5 cents. This makes a high winning percentage pretty difficult. No?

    Cheers,
    Daryn
     
    #33     Oct 20, 2003
  4. c_verm

    c_verm

    Im not sure what the PDT rule is?? I am a rookie as you can see. But yes I doe trade my cash account only. I am a conserviative trader and do not like leverage yet. I would rather learn with out leverage. That is why i ony trade 1000 - 1500 shares of a $5 stocks or cheaper.

    Could you explain what the PDT Rule is?
     
    #34     Oct 20, 2003
  5. Ebo

    Ebo

    http://www.nasdr.com/filings/rf00_03.asp

     
    #35     Oct 20, 2003
  6. PDT = "Pattern Day Trader" rule. Sounds a bit like some sort of label for sociopath's, but it merely means that if you trade in and out of a stock several times per week, you must follow those rules. You get 4 to 1 margin vs. only 2 to 1 margin, but you must keep a minimum of $25,000 in your account.

    I always thought this was a bit of a weird compromise from the regulators. They were worried about Retail Customer "day traders" losing money, so they doubled the amount of margin they could use, and insisted that they put up more money (which could be lost)....

    In any event, this only applies to customers of brokerage firms, not professional traders.

    Don
     
    #36     Oct 20, 2003
  7. Hi Daryn...I look at the number of trades much like the number of hands that may be dealt in a decent blackjack game. I bet more when there is an edge, and bet less (fewer shares) or stay out all together when I don't see a "perceived" winning opportunity.

    We shoot for about a 70% winning ratio, and try to keep the losses as low as possible. As you mentioned above, it can all average out to a few pennies at the end of the day, which pretty much explains why we want lower costs (larger share size = lower costs in most cases), and although we must "pick our entry points" and "exit points" well, we shouldn't get bogged down when we lose.....remember, it's just one hand of many that we will be dealt that day.

    More money at end of day (net) = Good

    Less money at end of day (net) = Bad.

    If you have a winning game, play bigger size and more often. If you don't have a winning game...then stay the heck out!

    ......and there are many "winning games."

    Don
     
    #37     Oct 20, 2003
  8. c_verm

    c_verm

    Is there a fine for trading more than the pdt rule?? To me it doent make sense ? Its less risky to trade with cash than it is to trade on margin? Why do they force use to trade on margin?
     
    #38     Oct 20, 2003
  9. t0yland

    t0yland

    Do none of you see what is completely wrong with this poll? It should be in the terms of percentages and not pennies. Which is better, a .10 cent gain on a 10 dollar stock or .15 on a 20 $$ equity?
     
    #39     Oct 20, 2003
  10. t0yland

    t0yland

    c verm,

    One can have a margin enabled accout and not use margin.
     
    #40     Oct 20, 2003