Average daily profit with $50K account?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by fcg007, Feb 21, 2010.

  1. NoDoji

    NoDoji

    That's the advantage us wee folk have. To obtain my 1.5% return yesterday I was able to get in and out of my 500-share POT positions in the time it took me to click a mouse.

    If I was managing millions or billions and wanted a 1.5% return on POT yesterday, I don't think it would've been so easy.
     
    #301     Mar 18, 2010
  2. Actually Ndoji Was quoting from another post I did not say this:

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    Quote from chipmunk:
    For all you high flyers out there making 1% a day remember that Bernie Madoff only promised 12% a year and he couldn't achieve that. [/B]
     
    #302     Mar 18, 2010
  3. LOL surely you mean DISADVANTAGE?


    So we are at an advantage woth out $100,000 accounts over the guys with $100M+ accounts? R.O.F.L.

    I's rather be making 13% on $100M than 100% on $100,000

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    That's the advantage us wee folk have.
     
    #303     Mar 18, 2010
  4. I know a forex trader who guarantees 20% profit per month.
     
    #304     Mar 18, 2010
  5. It's already well documented in my journal thread how I trade, when I add, and when I exit. So no, I'm not even close to being at risk to lose my "50 large".

    I've explained this many times in this thread, too. You should read my posts before asking questions that have already been answered. [​IMG]
     
    #305     Mar 18, 2010
  6. [​IMG]

    I get "ads" in the mail from time to time for "managed Forex accounts" that guarantee huge monthly returns, too.

    "OMG LOOK AT OUR HISTORICAL RETURNS!" and it shows like 40% per month for years on end. lol. Too bad when you Google them you get tons of people saying how they lost money and the fund magically started going down as soon a they invested. Unfortunatley I don't remember the names of them because I toss all that crap I get in the mail.

    How does your friend "guarantee" 20%? Does he refund investors' money if he loses?
     
    #306     Mar 18, 2010
  7. You didn't address it lol.

    You just don't understand it.

    You are under capitalized for the game you are playing. Yes you can do what you are doing but it isn't professional risk management. For anyone to take you serious you must be a professional. Obviously you are not looking for that from others.. but there is a reason why there are strict rules.

    Like I said, best of luck - but statistically you will not keep up your shorter term pace in the long haul.
     
    #307     Mar 18, 2010
  8. RedRat

    RedRat

    Regarding the screenshot:
    1) For one day it is possible to reach 1200 USD, but the other day I would have a larger loss.
    2) If you aim $500 per day with the account $50k you must be ready to experience several HUGE drawdowns and may be complete blow up of your entire capital.
    3) I believe for that strategy the daily limit is around 5 million USD for TF contract, may be even higher. If trade several liquid futures this number should be higher. Yes there is a limitation on liquidity, but I don't know when I reach it. Rather I lost my entire account first.
     
    #308     Mar 18, 2010
  9. RedRat

    RedRat

    To All: read this thread:
    http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=187380

    On the second page Acrary gives simulated statistics. What would happen if do single trade per day with PF = 1.5 and risks 1.75% of entire portfolio.

    At the 50% level (also the most likely result) starting from $150k you receive $346k. Don;t know whether it is the net profit or final account. I did not check his calculations.

    What is more important, that during that year you would experience DD around 56%. And believe me, PF = 1.5 is a high value for intraday trading. There is no 275 trading days per year, some days there are holidays and market is not active. Commissions are not included. In this simulation world there is no margin call and you may trade fractional lot. May be I missed something.


    So
    To get 200% per year you need to have solid strategy (PF > 1.5) and good money management. Even if you have all of this, you would experience 40%-50% DD.
     
    #309     Mar 18, 2010
  10. I address both those things.

    I address when I exit, which is established before I enter a trade.

    And I address why percentage gains don't matter for day traders.

    If my account was $100k I'd still trade exactly the same way and make the same DOLLAR profit, yet my percentage would be less even though my performance was exactly the same. The only difference is I would have $50-70k unused margin sitting in my account.

    Ok, well I guess as (if) my account grows eventually I won't be so undercapitalized anymore eventually :D

    So in your opinion, how big should my account be for trading this strategy, and why? I can currently take between 25-40 consecutive losses before I would be unable to trade this strategy anymore. How much money should I have in my account to do this and why?
     
    #310     Mar 18, 2010