Average American family "can't pay their bills"

Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by turkeyneck, Mar 21, 2008.

  1. Under normal circumstances yes, but lets say you have money in your 401k and other investments.. The judge would make you cash it in to continue to make the payments until it was all gone before he lowered it.
     
    #101     Mar 22, 2008
  2. I see what you mean.

    My statement still stands to Deadwood, unless the bulk of his monthly overhead comes from child support, etc. If that's the case he needs to say something to clarify.

    I was speaking in generalities and there's no need for him to talk the big shit unless he's ready to work it out.

    And still, no matter what, it all boils down to how bad you want to survive when the shit hits the fan. Any way you slice it. It may suck, but surviving and living the good life are very different topics.

    I know bad things happen to good people. I would do anything I could do to help someone who genuinely got the shaft in life. But damn, we're talking about people who are crying on the news about how bad they have it, when there are some blaringly obvious flaws in their logic. Sorry but when bad stuff happens you just have to deal with it. Tears don't make the problems go away. Unless you vote for Billary.
     
    #102     Mar 22, 2008
  3. And then of course, if you live in an alimony state things could get much worse. I was lucky in that respect because my wife didn't work for 10 years and if I lived in an alimony state I would have had to pay another 2500 per month. Needless to say, since I live in a community property state I had to pay her 1/2 of what my business was worth. Not a pretty sight.

    I did remarry again last year. Needless to say I had a pre-nuptial agreement that would make your head spin.
     
    #103     Mar 22, 2008
  4. Congrats on that BTW.

    Congrats on that too. :p
     
    #104     Mar 22, 2008
  5. The problem is, history has shown us that Americns are pretty good at being deulded into believing that the BIGGEST threat to their "freedoms" comes from some 3rd world country no one can find on a map. And by people who wear towels or pyjamas.

    And that their lives and trillions of their dollars are required by the Military Industrial complex to counter this "threat".

    Meanwhile, they sit glued to their 42" TV set as their country goes down the tubes.. They have surrendered their will and their soul to a false image.

    Keep waving that flag, as the ship is sinking.

    Let's hear it: We are the best! USA #1!

    Let's face it, the USa is now a failed state run by rogue warlords and controlled by a Zionist media who also runs the Mossad terror group. The USA has destabilized more countries than anyone else, it's only fitting they end like this.

    USA citizens need to grow a spine and get out in the streets to overturn their communist regime. Only the Party Leaders elite like Cheney and HAL reap the rewards, the citizens suffer.

    You elected oil thugs now deal with it. The greatest evil and threat to our freedoms comes from that regime.
     
    #105     Mar 22, 2008
  6. Please. You just generalized about 300 million people. Plus the Zionist/Mossad comments? Hilarious and they reveal that you may actually be insane. Lastly, you might think about dealing with the gigantic chip on your shoulder before trying to displace that anger upon a diverse population of individuals who do not think as unanimously as you presume.

     
    #106     Mar 22, 2008
  7. gnome

    gnome

    Wait just a minute... you are correct on some points, misjudging on others, and missing the boat on still others.

    Initially I wanted to debate each point, but decided I don't have the energy for all that. So, let me make a limited response on a few...

    1. In general, there are 2 things that will get a politician/regime into power and/or keep them there... [1] A sense the people need to be "protected"... from "something" and the regime's promise to do just that (that was the REAL reason we went after Saddam... Bush didn't want to face reelection in a weak economy, so started a war so we could have a victory to feel good about come election time), and [2] A promise that the people will be "financially better off". This is not just present day America, but a thread throughout history. We American people can hardly be faulted for being normal in this regard.

    2. America "likes" to be involved in wars, unfortunately. The PRIMARY reason is that it gives the Gummint "an acceptable excuse" to run budget deficits. Those deficts "support GDP and the economy", so the Gummint can claim "growth".. and give the illusion the people are generally "doing better financially in a growing economy". It has often been said, "The business of America is war".... and it's more for the economic boost than other reasons.

    3. I don't know about "how many" countries the US has "destabilized", but let's not forget whose ASS we've pulled from the fire... and cut me some slack as I do this from memory...

    a. England, France, and all of Europe in WWII.
    b. China in WWII
    c. Korea in 1951
    d. Vietnam in '65-'75 (well, at least we tried)
    e. Serbia and Bosnia
    f. Saddam's invasion of Kuwait
    g. Guess I shouldn't mention Pakistan, Iraq, & Osama just yet...

    Countries who've gone to war against their neighbors have ALMOST ALWAYS done so to expand their empire... to conquer somebody, confiscate their assets and perhaps enslave their people in one form or another. With the exception of Mexico in our California land grab, the US has not been guilty of such aggression. We instead (AND OFTEN), have been called upon to STOP THE AGGRESSOR... then withdraw when peace is restored. (I've often wondered, "what did WE get out of our loss of lives, and financial expense? Usually people just seemed to hate us more. How's that for irony.... we "go to everybody's defense", "spend our money", "get our boys killed", GIVE TONS IN FOREIGN AID MONEY and get little in return. Where's the sense in that?)

    Personally, I think America's reputation as a friend and ally has been much to be appreciated.

    I also think you're right about the corrupt character of our Gummint.

    And if I were POTUS, I'd correct many of the things you've mentioned. I'd also be more of an isolationist and leave the world to settle their own squabbles without our intervention. America doesn't "need" allies in the same way we did historically. ("Need" usually means we excessively spend money militarily to defend them and give them TONS in foreign aid.)

    Oh yes, I'd correct many things. However the political establishment in the US LIKES THINGS THE WAY THEY ARE... for greed and power reasons. Therefore "we the people" will NEVER likely be able to THROW THE BUMS OUT... We the people and the rest of the world will just have to endure... until the US implodes financially (should take about 50 years) and a "new order" is established out of necessity.

    Wish us citizens luck. We could use it. :mad:
     
    #107     Mar 22, 2008
  8. toc

    toc

    'A $500,000 mortgage at 5.5% (again, a reasonable rate) would be $2838. Add $800 a month for taxes and insurance (depending on your area). That's $3600.'

    Two $50K cars, $500K house mortgage and $50K credit card debts are total total total wasteful spending even if someone is earning $100K gross.

    $10K used luxary autos, $300K house, and no credit card debt is the way to keep afloat for $75 to 100K income bracket.
     
    #108     Mar 22, 2008
  9. Hedge22

    Hedge22

    The desk attendant complaining about not being able to find a full time job even though she has a "great degree from a great college" could not be dumber. Whos fault does she think it is that she cant get a job if she has a degree? all the other students coming out of even shitty school are able to find full time decent jobs. They dont go out or even rent movies, but somehow their picture was taken at an MLB game? Im guessing she majored in something stupid like music, if thats the case, once again i can only blame her.

    Then you have the girl going to U of Chi. Suck it up for 3 years and then you will be making 60k and rising quickly over the next few years. You can buy your fat folks the trailer they always wanted.
     
    #109     Mar 22, 2008
  10. Agreed.
     
    #110     Mar 22, 2008