atticus' "ship it" vol trading journal

Discussion in 'Journals' started by atticus, Sep 5, 2012.

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  1. Doobs789

    Doobs789

    Updates:

    AAPL Oct 605/630/655 Fly at 10.70 (in at 8.75). Looking to offer it soon.
    Also in the Oct/Nov 640 Calendar, and the 615/635/655 fly (from 16.00 and 6.20 respectively).
     
    #811     Oct 15, 2012
  2. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    What I'm saying is that the past earnings average about a 10% move. Past earnigns are volatile - it has been 5% and it's been 17%. I have no reason to believe it will be either 5% or 17%, so take the average of the 5 earnings dates since the IPO.

    For the straddle to carry, you need to see 35 vol on all the non-earnings days and 10% on the earnings day.

    For this to be rent free:
    1. we need see 2%/day until the earnings day to add credibility to the 35 vol aspect
    or 2. the market needs to think earnings move will be 15%

    I don't see any reason to believe either of those conditions will be met. Maybe you are seeing something else though.
     
    #812     Oct 15, 2012
  3. Yeh, but he won't hold thru the report.
     
    #813     Oct 15, 2012
  4. Risk-reversal position on VIX is up a quarter. ;)
     
    #814     Oct 15, 2012
  5. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    Then the market needs to hold 1 of those 2 criteria to maintain a $14 straddle price.

    I see either the market is pricing:
    1. 14% earnings, and 28 vol outside of that or
    2. 10% for earnings and 43 vol outside of that.

    It's carrying close to 28 vol and average earnings move is 10%. So the straddle is overpriced unless the market prices in more for earnings or more volatility after earnings. (breaking out the two before the event will be difficult to do, but the combined price is all that really matters).

    Just based on the history, I don't see why the market would price in one of the criteria in my other post.
     
    #815     Oct 15, 2012
  6. Bro, you gotta hold the cal and the 35 fly another day.
     
    #816     Oct 15, 2012
  7. Doobs789

    Doobs789

    Yeah, I just want to offer the 30 fly. I also just added a 620/640/660 fly at 6.90.
     
    #817     Oct 15, 2012
  8. From the looks of things I may have to be contacting Scotland again. Not that I mind...
     
    #818     Oct 15, 2012
  9. rofl!
     
    #819     Oct 15, 2012
  10. UNH 57.5 put reverse calendar (holding thru tom’s earnings) for 1.05 credits

    Atty : I will open a new thread…don’t want to trash your journal with earnings trades

    GL all
     
    #820     Oct 15, 2012
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