Obviously you missed the point: The scientists who use the SCIENTIFIC METHOD declare evolution as fact and that makes it a fact. Your logic makes as much sense as saying "I don't believe in gravity, therefore there is no gravity," Or how about, planes can't fly because I don't believe in man's ability to fly. Or better explain how your theory of creationism may be disproved. The ability to state a theory and the ways it may be disproven is one of the hallmarks of science. No creationists I know or read has ever even admitted creationism can be disproven much less stated how it could be done. Your little attempt at "show me a cat turning into a dog" is silly and you know it is just another fundie tricky tricky that is without any intellectual merit. If you want I'll give you a reference to transisitional fossils although I'm sure you would ignore it and maybe start blathering about cyclones creating 747s in a junkyard. Please bait me on that one. Show me proof that all creatures were created at the same time and that they all fit on the Ark and that they had food and poop handling also. And speaking of the Ark, has it been found again lately? It seems to show up in as many places as Jimmy Hoffa's corpse. And also tell me what stateroom the cud chewing bunnies were in, were they next to the bat birds? Seneca The animals went in four by four, Hurrah! hurrah! The animals went in four by four, Hurrah! hurrah! The animals went in four by four, the dinosaur couldn't fit through the door!
Yeah, it's always hilarious to listen to the ID'ers (didn't you know that's how they've rebranded themselves?) talk about how unlikely it is that life evolved from a biological soup. Ah, I see... so you feel it's more likely that a supernatural being waved a magic wand and POOF!!!! - a human being was walking around. Or, as the local troll put it recently "Magistrates (were) materialized out of pure potentiality" (Of course he later recanted this statement, but you get the picture). Anyhow, seneca... if you're actually new around here, you'll soon learn that it does no good whatsoever to try to engage creationists in a dialectical process. Their beliefs are informed by faith, and when that is the case, nothing, even death, will shake the true believer. Our beliefs are informed by the process of asking questions and seeking knowledge -when knowledge is immanent, no proofs are necessary.
As a devout Chrisitan myself, I'm the first to admit there are many things about the workings or this world and our lives within that I have questions = no answers for. I happen to believe that God's dictation of the bible AND Jesus time on earth speaking to people was akin to Stephen Hawking teaching kindergarten grade mathematics. Can you imagine the distance between his knowledge and ability to filter what those infantile minds could absorb? Is it possible he would answer in ways that they would learn = discover more from his written words as their knowledge & maturity evolved? Magnify that analogy by the scope of our universal creator discussing the timeline of man some 2,000 years ago. See any need to filter - sift - riddle the information given from God to man? ** <b> http://tradingeducators.com/spiritual_side_of_trading/introduction.htm?source=chartscan_to_SSOT </b> The link above is a public forum from Joe Ross' free weekly newsletter service. I don't believe it qualifies as spam here in the least, and I truly believe anyone of any faith (or lack thereof) will find his written work fascinating. It is obvious Joe has spent a tremedous amount of time composing and producing this data which in his words proves God exists. I myself have never seen a better explanation yet. Hope this helps :>) Austin P Genesis 3:1-5
A very large proportion of the geniuses of ancient Greece died more than 200 years before Jesus was born: Hippocrates, Euclid, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Archemedes, Eratosthenes, et. al., the list goes on. Had God wished to instruct humanity on the secrets of the universe, He merely needed to choose to hold classes on the Northern Mediterranean Sea, rather than the South. God apparently chose instead to engage in spinning allegorical tales to ignorant fishermen. I don't presume to understand God's reasoning. But, as to your basic argument that civilization was not sufficiently advanced to understand what God would have taught had He decided to reveal the marvels of His work all at once, I suggest that your theory has a serious hole. See http://www.tmth.edu.gr/en/aet.html for biographies of the ancient Greek scientists.
i just looked at joe rosses proofs.they can all be boiled down to this: translation, i dont understand how this happened so there must be a god.like this gem: "Proof 1: Since all around us we see a creation, it seemed logical to think there must be a creator." Proof 2: If there is life, doesnât there have to be a life-giver? "I happen to believe that God's dictation of the bible AND Jesus time on earth speaking to people was akin to Stephen Hawking teaching kindergarten grade mathematics. Can you imagine the distance between his knowledge and ability to filter what those infantile minds could absorb? Is it possible he would answer in ways that they would learn = discover more from his written words as their knowledge & maturity evolved?" the bible is chuck full of minute instruction on what to eat,how to cook it and what to wear, and even how to change the looks of your sheep when born. yet over the centuries untold millions of people have died because the bible forgot the most important instruction of all. "thou must boil the water before you drink it". why do you suppose it is that an all knowing god wanted these untold millions to die because he did not instruct them to boil the water to kill the germs? why did god wait until the 19th century to give man this simple knowledge? when you think these types of things through it becomes clear that the bible is just a collection of books written by primitive men who were ignorant of anything beyond their borders.
Belief is OK with me; but I don't believe what they do as the scientific facts make a mockery of those beliefs, cf. the world is flat, heliocentric,etc But my research has led me to evidence that there are or were cud chewing bunnies as can be seen in the attached photo: Seneca in the spirit of peaceful Christians everywhere, today's Bible quote: " their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open." (Hosea 13:16)
You want to talk about hilarity? How about the dedicated scientists who proved that we were entering a new ice age in the 1970's. Then, a generation later, they are absolutely convinced that we are entering a global meltdown, all based on the strictest scientific evidence, mind you. Next, they will be saying.....well you get the idea. Of course anybody who does not fall for their ideas is...just...not ....a...sophisticate. Maybe when Hitler's scientists were doing there scientific experiments on children, you know, amputating limbs to see what types of changes would result, they were gathering just the type of valuable information that enables you to feel so self satisfied. How's the dialectical process so far? And then the great, or so called great scientist carl sagan figured out how to deal with a perplexing problem that has stymied all of science for eons. What is that problem, you ask? Why, the fact that scientists have no plausible idea whatsoever about how or why the big bang took place. But, you see, this creates a monumental problem called the law of the first cause. Something had to cause the big bang and scientists don't have any satisfactory explanations. In fact, thier explanations don't even rise to the level of being called unsatisfactory. They are just plain idiotic. (By the way, have you ever heard the phrase...let their be light?) So, the esteemed scientist sagan realized what a corner he and his fellow non-believers were in and....viola, he simply makes the universe a deity. Yes, an always existant, eternal thing without beginning and without end. This is why he Capitalizes the word cosmos. It is his deity. Guess he is one of the fundies afterall. Of course you athiests are absolutely certain that everything does not produce after it's own kind, and therefore you do not have to worry about your sin resulting in death. Your sin, obviously, will evolve into life and you can therefore engage in the darkest of depravity, blissfully, forever. Gee, I'd like to have some apples in a few years in my back yard. Guess I'll plant an orange tree ....it just may evolve into an apple tree. Now, like Brando said, why don't you use all your talents and all your abilities to try and engage me in the dialectical process. Please start with the really important things, you know, like my spelling. It will give you that really satisfying community college feeling that you have accomplished something. Please feel free to visit that great sinkhole of wisdom known as the daily kos for some excellent scientific insight. cheers