attack religion without fear

Discussion in 'Religion and Spirituality' started by Gordon Gekko, Aug 12, 2006.

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    #31     Aug 16, 2006
  2. Aapex

    Aapex


    Just because wars have started in the "name of religion" does not presuppose that religion was the cause of the war.

    Example: Hitler used the aquarian gosples to justify himself.
    David Koresh in Waco Texas used religion to justify himself.
    Bin Laden used the Koran to justify Jihad.

    The point is that there are those within Christiandom & Islam that would argue against their positions.

    Nowhere in the New Testament does Jesus tell his followers to take up the sword.

    Therefore any war waged in the name of Christ is Biblically flawed and Doctrinally in error.

    The same could be said about wars waged in the name of Democracy. The U.S. is considered the Great Saten in the East because the U.S. has occupied foreign territories in the name of bring Democracy and forcing their legal system on the rest of the world.

    You can't have it both ways. When brought to its logically conclusion your reasoning doesn't make sense.
     
    #32     Aug 16, 2006
  3. the whole mideast war is ultimately a clash between christianity and islam.
     
    #33     Aug 16, 2006
  4. Aapex

    Aapex

    Wrong again,

    It is a clash between Judiasm & Islam. The result of Thousands of years of struggle between the Isaac & Ishmael the son's of Abraham about whom is the rightfull heir to the holy land.
     
    #34     Aug 16, 2006
  5. Aapex

    Aapex

    vhen,

    You still have not answered my previous question?

    Have you?
     
    #35     Aug 16, 2006
  6. yes. as a baptist for the first 50 years of my life i have examined the bible in detail. i found that all available evidence points to the bible being a collection of books of fables and myths translated and mistranslated to "fit" the story.
    i have not read the koran.
     
    #36     Aug 16, 2006
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    #37     Aug 16, 2006
  8. how can anyone take this clown seriously now???
     
    #38     Aug 16, 2006
  9. i would fear any of the major religions taking control of my country. we already had a period in human existance when the church had total control. it was called the dark ages:

    "The Dark Ages was a period in European history which has been arbitrarily set at between approximately 800 AD and lasting until the Renaissance. Although this is by no means a fixed definition, the common thread throughout this period of history was the total dominance of Christianity and the repression of all art, science and progress that was not Christian in nature.

    In this way the great scientific, philosophical and cultural works of the thousands of years of pre-Christian civilization were suppressed, all being ascribed to the work of pagans and therefore of devil authorship. In many places even the possession of classical works was taken to be proof of the possessor being a witch or a necromancer. More often than not such unfortunates would end up being burnt at the stake by zealous Christians.

    The era became known as the Dark Ages because of the introduction of theocracy as the only guideline in all fields of endeavor. This created a halt to all progress and centuries of cultural stagnation, which marked the time between the glory of Classical antiquity and the rebirth of that glory in the Renaissance and the beginnings of the modern world.
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    #39     Aug 16, 2006
  10. Aapex

    Aapex

    So then you were a baptist but you were not a Born Again Christian. The Scriptures declare that it is impossible to put your hand to the plow and turn back. By your own admission you lack(ed) faith.

    I dissagree with your premise about the Bible based on the account in the ancient tablet listing the Sumerian kings.

    The most documented Biblical event is the world-wide flood described in Genesis 6-9. A number of Babylonian documents have been discovered which describe the same flood.

    The Sumerian King List for example, lists kings who reigned for long periods of time. Then a great flood came. Following the flood, Sumerian kings ruled for much shorter periods of time. This is the same pattern found in the Bible. Men had long life spans before the flood and shorter life spans after the flood. The 11th tablet of the Gilgamesh Epic speaks of an ark, animals taken on the ark, birds sent out during the course of the flood, the ark landing on a mountain, and a sacrifice offered after the ark landed.

    The Story of Adapa tells of a test for immortality involving food, similar to the story of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden.

    Sumerian tablets record the confusion of language as we have in the Biblical account of the Tower of Babel (Genesis 11:1-9). There was a golden age when all mankind spoke the same language. Speech was then confused by the god Enki, lord of wisdom. The Babylonians had a similar account in which the gods destroyed a temple tower and "scattered them abroad and made strange their speech."

    Other examples of extra-Biblical confirmation of Biblical events:


    Campaign into Israel by Pharaoh Shishak (1 Kings 14:25-26), recorded on the walls of the Temple of Amun in Thebes, Egypt.

    Revolt of Moab against Israel (2 Kings 1:1; 3:4-27), recorded on the Mesha Inscription.

    Fall of Samaria (2 Kings 17:3-6, 24; 18:9-11) to Sargon II, king of Assyria, as recorded on his palace walls.

    Defeat of Ashdod by Sargon II (Isaiah 20:1), as recorded on his palace walls.

    Campaign of the Assyrian king Sennacherib against Judah (2 Kings 18:13-16), as recorded on the Taylor Prism.

    Siege of Lachish by Sennacherib (2 Kings 18:14, 17), as recorded on the Lachish reliefs.

    Assassination of Sennacherib by his own sons (2 Kings 19:37), as recorded in the annals of his son Esarhaddon.

    Fall of Nineveh as predicted by the prophets Nahum and Zephaniah (2:13-15), recorded on the Tablet of Nabopolasar.

    Fall of Jerusalem to Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon (2 Kings 24:10-14), as recorded in the Babylonian Chronicles.

    Captivity of Jehoiachin, king of Judah, in Babylon (2 Kings 24:15-16), as recorded on the Babylonian Ration Records.

    Fall of Babylon to the Medes and Persians (Daniel 5:30-31), as recorded on the Cyrus Cylinder.

    Freeing of captives in Babylon by Cyrus the Great (Ezra 1:1-4; 6:3-4), as recorded on the Cyrus Cylinder.

    The existence of Jesus Christ as recorded by Josephus, Suetonius, Thallus, Pliny the Younger, the Talmud, and Lucian.

    Forcing Jews to leave Rome during the reign of Claudius (A.D. 41-54) (Acts 18:2), as recorded by Suetonius.



    MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE SUMERIAN KING LIST
    -- There are more than 16 fragments and one nearly complete copy of the Sumerian King List found at different places at different times. The first fragment was discovered in the temple library at Nippur, Iraq, at the turn of the century and was published in 1906. The most complete copy, the Weld-Blundell prism, was purchased on the antiquities market shortly after World War I and is now in the Ashmolean Museum in Oxford, England.




    What say ye?
     
    #40     Aug 16, 2006