attack religion without fear

Discussion in 'Religion and Spirituality' started by Gordon Gekko, Aug 12, 2006.

  1. this it totally true but a reasonably intelligent educated person living in this day and age should consider this:

    Beliefs should be a search for truth and understanding, not denying reality so you can have faith in a compendium of books written by unknown authors over hundreds and hundreds of years complied much later by other fallible men, as 100% literally correct. That is a faith that is truly blind
    The very concept of faith is an insult to human intelligence. If you take something on faith, you are in effect saying, "I don't need evidence, facts, or logic. Evidence is worthless, facts are for ninnies, logic is nonsense. I'll believe whatever I want even if reality overwhelmingly shows that it's just not true."
     
    #111     Aug 22, 2006
  2. 1. Regarding the earlier stuff, we each made our points.
    2. According to this standard of proof, nobody knows ANYTHING. For example:

    Prove to me what you/people see and how you process & remember the info are not two different things.

    Prove to me everyone who has a tongue now had a tongue two seconds ago.

    Prove to me that the atoms we see under a microscope are for real.
     
    #112     Aug 22, 2006
  3. Apologies, but people's bias is to not believe, not to yes believe.
     
    #113     Aug 22, 2006
  4. thats just not true in america. most people believe what their parents believe and are indoctrinated from birth.
    even i was brought up a baptist and it took 50 years to learn the truth of religion.
     
    #114     Aug 22, 2006
  5. You've just made my point: with respect to the existence of God, "nobody 'knows' anything."

    Science and natural perception can only prove that which is natural. God is supernatural, thus He is unprovable via any science or perception.

    Knowledge of God is only available via personal faith. One believes because one believes, because that is the only experence available to us mere mortals.

    God could make the Jews' experiences at Mt. Siani true and simultaneously make the experience of a dozen other religious groups who may have been their at the same time also true, even though all of those respective truths would be contradictory if measured by scientific methods.

    God is not subject to the laws of this universe, thus there is no method by which we who are so subject, can understand God, except through our faith, because faith does not require proof.
     
    #115     Aug 22, 2006
  6. It is when taken literally as most fundies claim you should read the bible, else why do they believe the universe and all animals and people etc were created in 6 days about 6600 years ago.

    Seneca

    another inspirational quote:

    From Matthew 2:13-14(King James Version)

    13Now when they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, "Rise, take the child and his mother, and flee to Egypt, and remain there until I tell you, for Herod is about to search for the child, to destroy him."

    14And he rose and took the child and his mother by night and departed to Egypt

    15and remained there until the death of Herod.


    From Luke 2:

    16And they came with haste, and found Mary, and Joseph, and the babe lying in a manger.

    17And when they had seen it, they made known abroad the saying which was told them concerning this child.

    18And all they that heard it wondered at those things which were told them by the shepherds.

    19But Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart.

    20And the shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things that they had heard and seen, as it was told unto them.

    21And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.

    22And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord;


    No trip to Egypt in this version
     
    #116     Aug 22, 2006
  7. I am agnostic. I take no position on the existence of God. I try to do good works and live a reasonable life. While living my life, I accept evidence based on its being provable via natural means.

    I'll take my chances on whether or not God approves of my behavior and/or whether God exists. If God turns out to be real and refuses to grant me grace based on His divine judgment, then so be it. If God turns out to be imaginary, then it won't matter.
     
    #117     Aug 22, 2006
  8. i have a similar view. if god exists and i stand before him some day i will ask him why he refused to provide evidence to man that he existed. i will explain that i would have believed had he provided evidence. if he cant show compassion and still wants to burn me after i explain the circumstances he isn't worthy of worship.
     
    #118     Aug 22, 2006
  9. There are many more instances where NO archaeological records or evidence are found to support biblical stories (btw-they are good stories and in many valuable lessons may be learned) but they remain stories until scientific evidence is found.

    How is anyone to believe that 600000 men and their families, numbering in the millions total, left nothing behind during the 40 years it took to find a place to settle down?


    Seneca
     
    #119     Aug 22, 2006
  10. Any evidence not from the Bible that supports the biblical account?

    BTW-thought that Elohim is plural and is used as a plural in Genesis indicating multiple gods.
     
    #120     Aug 22, 2006