Atheists, agnostics most knowledgeable about religion, survey says

Discussion in 'Religion and Spirituality' started by olias, Sep 30, 2010.

  1. you obviously didnt watch the video because the subject talked about on your webpage is covered there. what is it with you bible thumper types? are you afraid if you educate yourself you will lose faith? what is more important? faith or knowledge based on evidence. is intellectual honesty important to people like you?
     
    #71     Oct 7, 2010
  2. jem

    jem

    I would also that contrary to the prior assertion just about every thinking believer knows there are times when they question their own faith.

    Very few people are 100% sure there is a God at any time. Having faith takes work and prayer.

    When we start thinking straight the question is not about our faith but about God being faithful to his word and his promises.
     
    #72     Oct 7, 2010
  3. which he is not. when you doubt your faith you should open your mind and let reason in. ask yourself why:



    We pray sincerely, knowing that when God answers this completely heartfelt, unselfish, non-materialistic prayer, it will glorify God and help millions of people in remarkable ways.
    Will anything happen? No. Of course not.

    This is very odd. Jesus makes specific promises in the Bible about how prayer is supposed to work. Jesus says in many different places that he and God will answer your prayers. And Christians believe Jesus -- according to this recent article, "54% of American adults believe the Bible is literally true." In some areas of the country the number goes as high as 75%.

    If the Bible is literally true, then something is seriously amiss. Simply look at the facts. In Matthew 7:7 Jesus says:

    Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!
    If "every one who asks receives", then if we ask for cancer to be cured, it should be cured. Right? If "our Father who is in heaven gives good things to those who ask him", then if we ask him to cure cancer, he should cure it. Right? And yet nothing happens.
    In Matthew 17:20 Jesus says:

    For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you.
    If "nothing will be impossible to you", then if we ask to cure cancer tonight, cancer should disappear. Right? Yet nothing happens. Note that if we take the Bible less-than-literally here, the statement "nothing will be impossible to you" becomes "lots of things will be impossible to you," and that would mean that Jesus is lying.
    In Matthew 21:21:

    I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.
    If "you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer", then if we ask to cure cancer tonight, cancer should dissappear. Right? Yet nothing happens. Note again that there is not a non-literal way to interpret "you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer", unless you replace "whatever" with "nothing" or "little."
    The message is reiterated Mark 11:24:

    Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.
    If God says, "believe that you have received it, and it will be yours," and if we believe in God and his power, then what should happen if we pray to cure cancer tonight? It should be cured. Either that, or God is lying.
    In John chapter 14, verses 12 through 14, Jesus tells all of us just how easy prayer can be:

    "I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it." [ref]
    Look at how direct this statement is: "You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it." This is the "Son of God" speaking. Have we taken him "too literally?" No. This is a simple, unambiguous statement. Have we taken his statement "out of context?" No - Jesus uses the word anyone. Yet Jesus' statement is obviously false. Because when we ask God to cure cancer tonight, nothing happens.

    http://godisimaginary.com/i1.htm
     
    #73     Oct 7, 2010
  4. stu

    stu

    The laws of physics that relate to the fundamental laws of nature with particular reference to Einstein rather than Newton.
     
    #74     Oct 8, 2010
  5. stu

    stu

    The principle itself behind the laws of physics which allow for a universe to come from nothing, do not rely in essence on your assumption this is all about string theory .
    String theory is not the laws of physics.
     
    #75     Oct 8, 2010
  6. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    OK, which law(s) of physics ,that relate to the fundamental laws of nature, allow for a universe to suddenly appear out of nothingness?
     
    #76     Oct 8, 2010
  7. True enough, but the real point of my post was to illustrate that as an atheist your philosophy/theory is not fact. You have a theory! That's great, but it's only a theory, one with many holes and assumptions in it. The hardcore creationist has a theory too, one with lot's of holes and assumptions in it. You just don't want to admit you're as hard headed and stubborn as they are. The FACT is, nobody knows for sure how/why the universe came to be. Science cannot provide absolute proof, and neither can religion. Should we be looking? You bet, but we're a long ways from anything being settled as fact. The tone of your posts seems to be that you take your theory as fact, and then you're critical of someone with an opposing theory which they claim to be fact. Pot, meet kettle.
     
    #77     Oct 8, 2010
  8. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    BINGO! YAHTZEE! HE SCORES!
     
    #78     Oct 8, 2010
  9. stu

    stu

    No. What you seem to not want to admit is that a scientific theory has nothing in common with a creationist or a religious or an everyday theory, except the word..


    Now it is you who is throwing up absolutes here . I don't.

    I apologize for the tone of my posts, yours can be a bit brusque as well you know! But I take scientific theories as based on fact, which they are. Otherwise they are not scientific theories.

    So for example, when knowledge about the universe is gained and understood within a scientific theory, as say gravity and evolution is, it is based upon the fact of gravity and evolution and also facts which are associated with gravity and evolution.

    Religious theory and creationist ideology are fundamentally and essentially not based on any fact. That's why such theories that they have fall over so quickly when examined, because in essence they are not based upon fact.

    I 'm saying comparing religious theory as being in any way comparable to scientific theory is simply wrong and making comparison is purposely done so dishonestly by many theists to mislead .

    Are you suggesting the laws of physics which allow a universe to begin from nothing are not based on fact, but religion is !?
     
    #79     Oct 8, 2010
  10. You are not a free thinker. You are a dummy. Probability and chance cannot explain specified complexity. I have no time to watch Marxist videos. Smart, free economy believers, became businessmen and dogmatic ideologists became intelllectuals who want to tell other people that everything happened by chance because that is what their blind dogma preaches.

    All it takes for you is to stop being a stupid pigot and look around you at nature and beings. Could all this have risen by chance alone? How many black-boxes you would have to introduce to convince yourslef of that happening?

    You are foolling only yourself. I have no particular faith in no religion. So stop being an idiot and question youself for honesty.
     
    #80     Oct 8, 2010