Atheists, agnostics most knowledgeable about religion, survey says

Discussion in 'Religion and Spirituality' started by olias, Sep 30, 2010.

  1. DUDE, who the fuck cares what YOU think?
     
    #261     Nov 16, 2010
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  3. STUpid, you still haven't said which "laws" of physics allow this.
     
    #263     Nov 16, 2010
  4. Ricter

    Ricter

    Hehe, I like that.

    You no doubt saw the recent reports on the scientists creating "mini big bangs"? Interesting implication.
     
    #264     Nov 16, 2010
  5. Scientists didn't create "mini big bangs" despite their unfortunate wording because the universe didn't form from the collision of lead ions at near the speed of light. What they did was attempt to recreate conditions believed to have existed just after the Big Bang.

    “Until man duplicates a blade of grass, Nature can laugh at his so-called scientific knowledge.”
    -- Thomas Edison
     
    #265     Nov 16, 2010
  6. jem

    jem

    as I read more about this I am amazed...

    do you realize a quote I gave you earlier was from the guy who got this whole argument started...


    "It is, for example, impossible for evolution to account for the fact than one single cell can carry more data than all the volumes of the Encyclopedia Britannica put together.”

    “It now seems to me that the findings of more than fifty years of DNA research have provided materials for a new and enormously powerful argument to design.”

    -Anthony Flew
    Professor of Philosophy, former atheist, author, and debater"


    "Mr. Flew's best-known plaint for atheism, "Theology and Falsification," was delivered in 1950 to the Socratic Club, chaired by none other than C.S. Lewis. This paper went on to become the most widely reprinted philosophical publication of the last five decades and set the agenda for modern atheism.

    Now, in a remarkable reversal, Mr. Flew holds that the universe was brought into being by an infinite intelligence.

    "What I think the DNA material has done is show that intelligence must have been involved in getting these extraordinarily diverse elements together," he said. "The enormous complexity by which the results were achieved look to me like the work of intelligence."

    http://www.bible.ca/tracks/converted-to-creation-antony-flew-former-atheist.htm

    Now remember if you have a problem with the quote... disect the quotes... not the website. these quotes can be found in lots of places.
     
    #266     Nov 16, 2010
  7. just how much do you think an elderly Professor of Philosophy knows about dna and genes?

    we are making progress. i used to spend a lot of time with christians debating "special creation". now the debate has moved to did god design evolution. you are being slowly dragged into the 20th century.

    "Actually, I find no conflict here, and neither apparently do the 40 percent of working scientists who claim to be believers. Yes, evolution by descent from a common ancestor is clearly true. If there was any lingering doubt about the evidence from the fossil record, the study of DNA provides the strongest possible proof of our relatedness to all other living things". By Dr. Francis Collins
    Special to CNN Editor's note: Francis S. Collins, M.D., Ph.D., is the director of the Human Genome Project. His most recent book is "The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief." http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/03/collins.commentary/index.html
     
    #267     Nov 16, 2010
  8. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    About as much as stu knows about a universe from nothing?

    :)
     
    #268     Nov 16, 2010
  9. jem

    jem


    perhaps as much as... a noble laureate..


    “If you equate the probability of the birth of a bacteria cell to chance assembly of its atoms, eternity will not suffice to produce one… Faced with the enormous sum of lucky draws behind the success of the evolutionary game, one may legitimately wonder to what extent this success is actually written into the fabric of the universe.”

    - Christian de Duve. “A Guided Tour of the Living Cell” (Nobel laureate and organic chemist)

    or these two guys....


    The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe. We are like a little child entering a huge library. The walls are covered to the ceilings with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written these books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. But the child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books - a mysterious order which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects.”

    - Albert Einstein
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    Astronomy leads us to a unique event, a universe which was created out of nothing, one with the very delicate balance needed to provide exactly the conditions required to permit life, and one which has an underlying (one might say ‘supernatural’) plan.”

    - Arno Penzias (Nobel prize in physics) Margenau, H and R.A. Varghese, ed. 1992. Cosmos, Bios, and Theos. La Salle, IL, Open Court, p. 83.
     
    #269     Nov 16, 2010
  10. stu

    stu

    It is confirmed then, you're making a two faced argument against a straightforward statement handed to you.
    You find a superstitious imaginary notion as plausible as something the laws of physics allow for.
     
    #270     Nov 17, 2010