So I did, my bad. Probably because I have yet to see any proven LAWS of physics that states an entire universe can appear from nothing. THIS (right or wrong) is what I've been saying.
LMAO!!!! It's not "known how much dark energy there is," it's estimated. It's not even known if dark energy really exists. Dark energy is just the current best guess as to why the expansion of the universe seems to be accelerating. Yet again you prove your STUpidity. Speaking of STUpidity, you were clueless about dark energy until I schooled you here: http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2952513#post2952513 So drop the facade and quit pretending you know what you're talking about.
P.S. You can't get anything right can you, STUpid? The only "irrational ramblings" are your own and the links aren't locked. BY YOUR OWN LOGIC, God is just as plausible as no God as I showed here: http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2953564#post2953564 http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2956316#post2956316
Yea ok TrollZZzzz. The amount of dark energy is known. Just because you don't know it's known, doesn't make it estimated.
I appreciate you acknowledged your bad, but still, did you REALLY not realize you typed that? As I asked before, did you after all, intend to misrepresent the meaning of theory as it pertains to science? It's a very misleading and particular false statement out of many which some religious belief 'ers often like to blunder around with. I'm sure you're not oblivious to that. "I have no issue with proven laws of physics." Then you have "no issue" also with proven laws of physics which allow for gravity ? If you have an 'issue' with gravity, which would you question ? .... the laws of physics that allow for it... or the scientific theory of gravity? So having an issue with a universe from nothing..... why would you question the laws of physics that allow for it ( WHAT LAWS.. is 'what you have been saying' ) ... rather than to question the scientific theoretical physics of a universe from nothing? So again thatâs why I suggest you question , WHAT it is you are questioning? Nevertheless, the laws of physics allow for both. One reason neither can be... "just a THEORY".
No. Definition of THEORY 1 : the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another 2 : abstract thought : speculation 3 : the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art ... 5 : a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena <the wave theory of light> 6 a : a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation b : an unproved assumption : conjecture c : a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subject <theory of equations> No, but then these are known and observable. I see and can feel the effects of gravity. NO ONE witnessed the big bang universe appearing out of nowhere. Easy, once AGAIN I have not seen and you have not provided ANY laws of physics that do allow for a universe to suddenly appear from nothing. WHAT SPECIFIC PROVEN LAW(S) OF PHYSICS ALLOW FOR A UNIVERSE TO SPONTANEOUSLY APPEAR FROM THE VACUUM OF NOTHINGNESS? Examples: Newton's laws of motion Boyle's Law Charles's Law Gay-Lussac's Law Avogadro's Law Zeroeth Law Ohm's law Kirchhoffâs laws The Biot-Savart Law Second Law of Thermodynamics Dalton's Law Dulong & Petit's Law Faraday's Law Graham's Law Ideal Gas Law Second Law of Engineering: If it isn't broken, don't fix it.
The religious adherents answer to that is, The Law of Pulling a Rabbit Out Of a Hat" whereas science doesn't believe it has the answer, for them its still at the level of theory.
Which is all and exactly what I've been saying. stewie is insisting the big bang theory is a proven, observable, verifiable scientific fact allowed for by some "law(s) of physics" he refuses to produce.
From the way I'm reading your exchanges, he's saying the laws of physics LEAD to the theory not that the Big Bang itself is a law. The laws of physics are open ended as in even if there is a god, he isn't a magician, the laws of physics would have to be revised and his doings explored. Unless rationality doesn't account for anything at all and we're just a random balloon flying around.
Actually my issue is mostly with him repeating over and over that the laws of physics allow for an entire universe to appear from NOTHING.