Atheist nightmare come true. Archeological evidence of Jesus.

Discussion in 'Religion and Spirituality' started by peilthetraveler, Feb 29, 2012.

  1. God still isn't real... unless you have childlike faith.
     
    #11     Feb 29, 2012
  2. jem

    jem

    Dr. Dewey had it right...

    http://web.mit.edu/rog/www/papers/does_origins.pdf

    We now know that the probability of life arising by chance is far too low to
    be plausible, hence there must be some deeper explanation that we are yet to
    discover, given which the origin of life is atleastreasonably likely. Perhaps we
    have little idea yet what form this explanation will take—although of course it
    will not appeal to the work of a rational agent; this is would be a desperate
    last resort, if an option at all—but we have every reason to look for such an
    explanation, for we have every reason to think there is one.
    In a detailed survey of the field, Iris Fry (1995, 2000) argues that although
    the disagreements among origin of life theorists run very deep, relating to the
    most basic features of the models they propose, the view sketched above is a
    fundamental unifying assumption (one which Fry strongly endorses). Some
    researchers in the field are even more optimistic of course. They believe that
    they have already found the explanation, or at least have a good head start
    on it. But their commitment to the thesis above is epistemically more basic,
    in the sense that it motivated their research in the first place and even if their
    theories were shown to be false, they would retain this basic assumption.
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    #12     Feb 29, 2012
  3. stu

    stu

    #13     Feb 29, 2012
  4. If Jesus's existence becomes without a doubt, then people might demand a public trial into the circumstances of his murder. So it is likely that it is not the atheists who initiated the saying, but rather those who are afraid of the consequences of the existence of Jesus.
     
    #14     Feb 29, 2012
  5. Would it be difficult to find out who was involved in his murder?
     
    #15     Feb 29, 2012
  6. ah,childlike faith. the gullible are so easily duped:

    http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/425/

    Needless to say, this bogus “find” is linked to a heavily-marketed book, The Jesus Discovery: The New Archaeological Find That Reveals the Birth of Christianity, by James D. Tabor. But given that he has been so thoroughly disgraced by expert analysis on this (and yet gives the book an absurdly confident title like that), I can only assume he has tenure, as otherwise he would cease to be employed by now. This is really beyond the pale.

    It’s even more discrediting that Tabor still stands by the “Jesus Tomb Wingnut Team” interpretation of an inscription in the other Talpiot tomb as “Mariamene” (as supposedly a variant of Mariamne, supposedly a distinctive spelling of Mary Magdalene), when it is unmistakably Mariamê kai Mara, “Miriam and Mara,” one very common Jewish name, the other unconnected to Jesus. An earlier epigrapher confused a single letter as nu (N) which is actually kappa [K], the one being an upside down version of the other (a common mistake even for an expert to make who might be getting tired trudging through hundreds of inscriptions). This is so glaringly obvious there can be no reasonable dispute in the matter. Yet he keeps on claiming it says Mariamene. Lately he has been willing to allow that it “might” say Mariame kai Mara…after I pointed this out. But why didn’t he notice it before? The many statistical analyses run for the names in the tomb are also horribly fallacious (the conjunction of names there given the actual population in the tomb is simply not improbable enough to ensure this tomb has any connection with Jesus), but he can’t be expected to understand that (he’s not a mathematician and hasn’t studied statistics or statistical logic). But surely he can read Greek properly. He seems more inclined to stick to the guns of a bizarre theory than actually admit it’s too bizarre to be credible. That was not the “lost tomb of Jesus” ; and neither is this “new” find connected to Christianity.

    The lesson to learn here is never to trust the media, much less the rumor mill, when claims of an amazing new find like this crop up. Wait for the evidence to actually be presented, for many independent experts to actually analyze it. Then see what survives. Usually, nothing.
     
    #16     Feb 29, 2012
  7. And how did those physical & biological conditions come into being? Where did those conditions get their properties? You just accept that they have those properties for no reason whatsoever.
     
    #17     Feb 29, 2012
  8. Eight

    Eight

    Good old gravity!! Where would we be without it?
     
    #18     Feb 29, 2012
  9. jem

    jem

    let me translate the stu bullshit.

    In other words as of now there is no evidence or even a plausible pathway from primordial goo to the first living thing.
     
    #19     Feb 29, 2012
  10. stu

    stu

    How? Gravity.
    Where? Universe , obviously.
    Inevitability is good reason for it.
    Imaginary beardy magic man, isn't.

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    #20     Feb 29, 2012