Atheism

Discussion in 'Politics' started by nursebee, May 20, 2016.

  1. stu

    stu

    Perhaps because science is not in the business of proving things but is rather the accumulation of knowledge, it is capable of all those things leaving the impossible to philosophy.


    One crucial difference between science and philosophy and indeed the problem with philosophy, is that it has no laboratory.
     
    #161     Jun 18, 2016
  2. jem

    jem

    this is the problem with your trolling stu. you make pronouncements as if you know what your a talking about when you are really just bullshitting your ass off most of the time.

    There is no distinction made in your writing between your opinion and fact. You attempt to write persuasively on the topic of science yet manifest no proof that you have objectively analysed the science. You rarely present a link to science.


    for instance you just made these sweeping statements about Kaku's work.. .yet you did not address the new information brought to the table by the post.

    You have given us no evidence that you analysed what Kaku meant when he said


    primitive semi-radius tachyons” are physical evidence that the universe was created by a higher intelligence.

    After analyzing the behavior of these sub-atomic particles - which can move faster than the speed of light and have the ability to “unstick” space and matter – using technology created in 2005, Kaku
    concluded that the universe is a “Matrix” governed by laws and principles that could only have been designed by an intelligent being.

    “I have concluded that we are in a world made by rules created by an intelligence. Believe me, everything that we call chance today won’t make sense anymore,” Kaku said,
    according to an article published in the Geophilosophical Association of Anthropological and Cultural Studies...."

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    Frankly, I am surprised a scientist of his stature made such a statement. Its seems to pro Creator to be true.
    I would bet we would need to see it in better context.

    Instead of us have a useful conversation about the science, and you explaining what he may have really meant... you just feel back upon some useless restatement of things that don't advance our understanding.


     
    #162     Jun 18, 2016
  3. Just 2 cents:

    I think, most importantly both science and philosophy, and any other contemporary fields of study, are used to train up people's mind for objective, critical, independent, logical and rational thinking and understanding, systematically and comprehensively.

    Historically, religious leaders and scholars were among the most talented, trained, educated, intelligent and knowledgeable people that offer helps (solving problems) and advises to others.

    Many inventions and scientific findings including maths, physics and chemistry were originated by some religious leaders/scholars (from the 3 major religions)! (The laymen and secular people were much less educated!)

    It would be fairly disappointing that why and how the religious institutions had become less and less involving/impacting the development of modern science!

    Personally I think the religions of the future, after removing all superstitions, should be gradually modernised in order to attain (i.e. revert to) the above objectives!


    http://www.juliantrubin.com/schooldirectory/jewishscientists.html
     
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    #163     Jun 18, 2016
  4. stu

    stu

    You obviously decided a long time ago not to understand what science is so there is no understanding for you Jem.

    Why should I be verifying what looks to anyone with half a brain cell to be nonsense.
    I've already mentioned there is nothing in Kaku's math or equations or in any one else's nor in any science anywhere that indicates a god or need for one.

    There is no such thing as "primitive semi-radius tachyons". There is of course no mention of such things on Kaku's website and there are certainly no papers for it.
    This story was supposedly started on a Spanish website a few years ago, later declared a hoax.


    But sure enough, thick headed gullible god botherers such as yourself will jump on anything without checking to shout Creator at it.

    What a joke.
    Constant anger, incessant insults, overbearing self-importance, stupidity and sheer deceit in your posts are reason enough to show how you couldn't have a useful conversation to save your life.
     
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    #164     Jun 19, 2016
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  5. jem

    jem

    you didn't check it out til I told you to do so.
    I looked it up... and then added to my post.
    Which you then read and found the post about the spanish website.
    Which may or may no be correct. Of course you posted no science supporting any of your statements.


    What a joke. Stu flipping reality on its head.

    1. you started with the insults.
    2. I doubt any of us are angry... this is the internet.
    3. I post links to science and scientists.. you write specious stuff imagined in your own brain and act as if its science. (so who manifests overbearing self-importance, stupidity and sheer deceit.)

    How many links have you posted on this thread to science or a scientist... zero. How many this year. I have seen zero or very close to it from you.
    .
     
    #165     Jun 19, 2016
  6. jem

    jem

    Not sure how you could make your bullshit claims about how you know Kakus work.
    Here we see him get pretty philosophical in the last minute of this video.

    Here he says Strings in 11 dimensions are the mind of God.


     
    #166     Jun 19, 2016
  7. jem

    jem

    here is a top genetics scientist who basically explains about the fine tunings. I agree with this scientists too.

     
    #167     Jun 19, 2016
  8. stu

    stu

    He didn't say it.

    You'd need to see it in the context that he didn't say it you dope.

    And just what exactly is your point in posting links and videos all the time of scientists who do not say they have any science to demonstrate how there IS any fine-tuning or any need for the universe to have a god or a creator or a tuner for it to exist? eh?

    I don't post links to science on the subject because there is no science on the subject. The subject is irrelevant to science. What do you find so difficult to get about that?

    But You want videos and links ok well here's one. Michio Kaku endorsing the IPCC and the overwhelming evidence for man made global warming and reduction of emissions.


    How does that advance your understanding away from being an AGW denier? Your "great minds of science" is telling you something that actually is relevant to science but contrary to your closed minded denial.
    Of course it won't change a thing. It's Just something for you to hold another unintelligent ill-considered opinion on.

    You keep trying to wedge your religious beliefs into science where much more capable people than you miserably fail, and always will, for simple reasons you clearly are incapable of understanding
     
    #168     Jun 19, 2016
  9. Good1

    Good1

    There are only two alternatives: faith or knowledge. Atheism's "absence of faith" does not understand the difference between these, how faith functions, it's scope, and the scope of knowledge.

    Science portends to accumulate knowledge, however, it is really just the exploration of what faith has wrought. Once you learn that physics is a faith-based phenomenon, it gives you a better perspective.

    I'm surprised pop religions have not got this either, as one old dusty book has already suggested that all "substance" is faith-based.

    For knowledge to be real, you'd have to know everything, leaving nothing to the realm of doubt, ignorance and/or faith.

    The study of reliable phenomenon is not the accumulation of knowledge, as faith is quite reliable within its own domain. The phenomenon lasts as long as it is believed. What believes in physical phenomenon supersedes the life-span of man and his observations. As long as it believes it, the phenomenon will seem to man as an observation of reality and the accumulation of knowledge.
     
    #169     Jun 19, 2016
  10. did faith provide that iphone :D

    bible in one hand and the iphone in the other?

    does anyone else see the irony :D
     
    #170     Jun 19, 2016