Atheism is a or is a product of mental illness...

Discussion in 'Politics' started by OPTIONAL777, Apr 6, 2009.

Atheism is a or is a product of mental illness...

  1. Yes

    12 vote(s)
    17.1%
  2. No

    58 vote(s)
    82.9%
  1. did you or did you not just state the heart is where the truth lies?
    make up your so called mind :D
     
    #411     Apr 22, 2009
  2. You quote Susskind for his insight and then dismiss his judgment. Another slice of cherry pie? I insist.
     
    #412     Apr 22, 2009
  3. No, I suggested that truth is found in the balanced heart and mind, something that you don't have...


     
    #413     Apr 22, 2009
  4. stu

    stu

    jem, try to do this.....


    • "....so it was basically randomness, statistics and the laws of physics that led to our own design. "---Leonard Susskind

      " I don't believe that the universe was designed by an intelligence. "---Leonard Susskind

    Try reconciling those two Susskind comments with your own quote above without just brainlessly repeating "Susskind says the world looks spectacularly designed because of almost infinite universes." as you usually do.

    Try and think just for once..how because of what Susskind is saying "the world looks spectacularly designed"... that could not possibly mean ..." Susskind is saying the world is spectacularly designed"

    Here's a clue: It's because of what Susskind actually says... you idiot.

    "..so it was basically randomness, statistics and the laws of physics that led to our own design. " ---Leonard Susskind



    If you ever were a lawyer like you pretend ,you'd have to give it up.


    Oh... you did!
     
    #414     Apr 22, 2009
  5. Stu, you're being much too hard on jem. He has an aversion to thinking in much the same way that sedentary people have an aversion to exercise. The poor fellow could hurt himself something fierce.
     
    #415     Apr 22, 2009
  6. the heart is for pumping blood. the brain is for thinking. you got it back asswards :D
     
    #416     Apr 23, 2009
  7. jem

    jem


    here its for you et trolls.


    Because string theory allowed Susskind's friend and string theorist speculate there could be 10 to 500th universes (see articles I quoted for the exact number) Susskind could then speculate that if there were and almost infinite amount of universes then there was no reasons to conclude that the appearance of design in our universe was attributable to anything other that we were randomly observing the design in this universe. Susskind explains this in his articles....


    How many fricken times do you need to have this explained to you.

    do you not understand probabilities.

    --

    Given: as stated by Susskind Wienberg and other nobel prize winners -- our universe looks designed

    conclusion:

    a, If there is only one universe than it is fair to conclude there might be a designer.

    b, If there are trillions and trillions of universes - you can conclude random chance is a fair presumption.


    If you do not understand this basic fact about probabilities then I apologize for calling you a troll - you are really just stupid.

    Susskind explains all this in the articles I have provided for you.
     
    #417     Apr 23, 2009
  8. jem

    jem

    to amplify what I said

    if there a trillions and trillions - almost an infinite universes - you would expect one to be this finely tuned. therefore if you were in the one working universe you could not attribute the fine tunings to design. Because so many others were not finely tuned.


    however, if there is only one universe - then you can not conclude that randomness can account for the fine tunings.
     
    #418     Apr 23, 2009
  9. stu

    stu

    A sidetrack.
    Nothing to do with what you quoted Leonard Susskind saying.
    Susskind has already stated in the quotes you supplied.. "....the world looks spectacularly designed" .......but isn't.

    ".....it was basically randomness, statistics and the laws of physics that led to our own design. " ---Leonard Susskind

    It isn't a given you great gawp.

    Susskind says - ' looks designed but isn't ' - because of what he says in the quotes you give.

    ".....it was basically randomness, statistics and the laws of physics that led to our own design. " ---Leonard Susskind

    No. It would not be fair to conclude there might be a designer .

    About this one universe it's fair to conclude Susskind says ".....it was basically randomness, statistics and the laws of physics that led to our own design. "

    Because that's what he actually said.

    In that case, never mind just trillions and trillions of universes. If there are more than trillions and trillions , let's say countless particle and chemical reactions over billions of years in one universe, you can conclude random chance in that one universe is a fair presumption.

    Then quite obviously you do not understand "this basic fact about probabilities" in this universe, so by your own definition you are really just stupid. I can make no apologies for that.



    Come on now jem enough is enough. Have a bit of integrity. You can't reasonably expect to be holding any credibility by now.
    You supplied a video which shows Leonard Susskind stating the universe looks designed.... but it isn't.

    All you are trying to do is distort the quote by repeating only part of of the statement the universe looks designed...
    in order to pretend Susskind is supporting the idea of some "Creator" .

    That's generously known as out of context, specifically known as intellectually dishonest and more precisely known as a fraudulent distortion of the truth.

    If your "Creator" really needs that type of endorsement to give it any chance at all., then personally I think you'd be far better of dumping it in this one universe like a hot brick.
     
    #419     Apr 24, 2009
  10. stu

    stu

    It's just as appropriate then to say there are an infinite amount of events in this universe. More than there are in a "trillions and trillions" other universe event.

    It is just as reasonable then to expect there are countless other outcomes in this universe which could occur but did not. Therefore in the same way as your "infinite universe" argument goes, this universe is certainly not "fine tuned" for this nor those countless other outcomes.

    Then just as with your "infinite universes" there is no fine tuning, just a simple straightforward... what can happen might happen... and as it happened, it did.

    You're a lottery winner who wants to confuse themselves into thinking they must be special and fine tuned because they won the lottery and everyone else did not.
     
    #420     Apr 24, 2009