Well then you'll never have my support(from this of , by , for people). I'm not here to buy the indulgences of your religion, that's up to you .
Tell that to the Nazis of WW2 Tell it to the Russians who still haven't set foot on the moon. Tell it to all the people on SS, and Medicare. Tell it to all the dead coal miners, and the one's saved because the government requires safety regulations.
Huh? You seem to be making my point. I'd like to shut down both. I consider the programs more of a problem than a solution. And yet, coal miners still die.