Article/Paper - "Filtering in Finance"

Discussion in 'Technical Analysis' started by Equalizer, May 16, 2005.

  1. nice.
     
    #21     May 19, 2005
  2. Which, the gutter French or the devastating analysis of the fundamentally bad assumptions in the paper?
     
    #22     May 19, 2005
  3. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    I think the paper illustrates a common theme among those who want to trade (including myself): we run to digital signal processing in the hopes of finding some fundamental insights or methods of analysis to apply to financial data and we quickly run into diminishing returns. The more astute catch on quickly and move on to other areas, the less astute buy tons of dsp books and haunt dsp message boards for years, some never catching on.

    The phenomena analyzed by dsp engineers are fundamentally different from financial data. The markets are not communication signals; they aren't "trying" to tell anybody anything. That doesn't mean there's no information to be analyzed, but it's hardly in the form of a clear and deliberate signal containing "extraneous" noise.
     
    #23     May 19, 2005
  4. John, feel free to tear it apart on the Wilmott forum - where it was published - if you can be arsed that is.
     
    #24     May 19, 2005
  5. "Never mud wrestle with a pig. The pig likes it too much." Did you read the lame-assed conclusion of the paper? A call for further research, haha! "Il faut continuer de depenser de l'argent sur cette idee foule."
     
    #25     May 19, 2005
  6. Mon Cher Jean Marchand,

    This is a typical example of what I have referred to in the past as 'SCIENTISM', i.e. the mimicking of competent application of scientific and mathematical knowledge to areas where it doesn't apply. As you point out, there is a fundamental difference between modelling control systems and market systems. Noise in markets is a pure phantasy. You could say that it is some kind of deviation of market behavior from what one individual dreams that it should or could have been.

    Funny is the legend about Kalman and 'market experimentation'. As you know, a similar story circulates about Wiener's losses in the market. Let me quickly add that both Wiener and Kalman are truly great for their contributions to engineering and mathematics.

    I must say that for engineers and scientists, confrontation with market tinkering is a great educational experience. It helps a lot in separating 'quant'-clowns from men.

    Bonjour à F-M,
    nononsense

    PS: We are all lucky we still got our Jack!
     
    #26     May 19, 2005
  7. Oh C'mon, you're just no fun, it would be worth it for a larf!
    Who knows, you might even get to "educate" the paper's authors, not to mention the students who participate on those forums... :D
     
    #27     May 19, 2005
  8. NN. Not sure it is legend. My correspondent heard Kalman speak and say it himself. Scientism? Numerology! Am now sober so will say no more.

    P.S.: Yes! Thank God for Jack!
     
    #28     May 19, 2005
  9. EQ. I don't teach any more. It hurts my teeth too much.
     
    #29     May 19, 2005
  10. Do we really think that a researcher in trading financial markets after finding a really really profitable solution/ answer would happily publish the whole lot, even honestly without trying to mislead us?

    I really don't know. :confused:
     
    #30     May 19, 2005