Arnold on the rise!

Let's take a look at just a few of the threads THAT YOU STARTED regarding your support of George Bush, shall we?

More Younger People Support Bush

Prominent Democrat Endorses Bush for 2004!

Bush Approval Rating Up Sharply!

Need I go on???

 

Of course I love GWB. Of course I support him. However my support of him is based almost entirely on his foreign policy initiatives.

Waggie why is this so hard for you to believe. weren't you that one that said you loved that Queer ass Jerry Brown and then you said hey MAV, I only like him because of the flat tax he proposed. So why is it ok for you to like brown for his flat tax and it's not OK for me to support Bush because of his foreign policy positions? A little bit of a double standard there eh?

Waggie, another reason I defend Bush so much is because you start 100 threads a week about how you blame Bush for everything. I simply refute all that junk. You really are a joke. I mean I hate the Clinton's, I hate John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, but shit Waggie how many threads do I start one after the other talking about how much I hate these people.

You seriously need to see a shrink man. Your hate is consuming you. I think GWB will go down in history as one of the most courageous Presidents we ever had. Agree with it or not but I stand by him on this war and will continue to support him. Does he have a spending problem? Sure, just like the other 98% of the republicans in the House and Senate. Is he perfect? Nope, he is full of faults, that makes him human. Do I like him personally? Sure do. I think he is great guy and a very sincere guy.

Here is a guy that is willing to speak his mind and act on his convictions. You may not agree with him but he is not a talking head, he doesn't see which way the wind is blowing before he does something. He doesn't take a poll to see how to govern this country. I like that. He actually stands for something. I didn't think we would ever see that again after Reagan but I was wrong. In fact, I don't think we will see it again for a very very long time. So there you have it Waggie. Anything else you want to add? Are you done making an ass of yourself now?

 

Or, are you now going to tell us that you did not lie to us when you stated that the only thing that you like about the Bush administration is his foreign policy directive, and that you are such a SHALLOW voter that that "position" alone is enough for you to support him for re-election?

So much for "core" beliefs.

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Waggie all those things are true. What point are you trying to make. I told you I loved the guy. What more can I tell you? None of those statements have anything to do with his fiscal policy. You really are messed up in the head aren't you Waggles?

 

"You may not agree with him but he is not a talking head, he doesn't see which way the wind is blowing before he does something. He doesn't take a poll to see how to govern this country. I like that. He actually stands for something."

You mean that Karl Rove and Dick Cheney are not running the Country???

Wow, you could have fooled me.
Karl Rove not the ultimate spin-meister?
That's pretty funny Mav. You really outdid yourself this time!

 

Waggie what are you talking about? Do ever make any sense? That's right, I told you in previous threads that there are some things more important then money. I told you I would actually pay more in taxes to lower abortions in this country. I told you that some things are more important then money. The other thing that I think is more important then money is that we live in a safe country and a safe world. Sure I would love to see him cut spending and lower taxes more, but not at the expense of our security. Why is this so hard for you to understand? Don't you understand Waggie that after a nuclear holocaust, nothing else will matter, your UC schools, my taxes, gay marriage, whatever, none of that means anything if we don't protect this country from harm. Why don't you get this. You have to have priorities Waggie. And national defense for me is a priority.

 

No waggie, Karl Rove and Dick Cheney are not running this country. Just because you say they do doesn't make it so. Man, you really need to put all these conspiracy theories to rest man. You are losing your mind. I think it's time you took a vacation.

 

All I have learned about you Waggie tonight other then you are liar is that you stand for nothing. You have no principles, you are not a conservative and you will probably vote for Kerry in November. Good riddance.

 

May 3, 2004

During a prime time press conference on April 13, President Bush was asked to name a mistake that he has made since taking office and what he has learned from it. Bush, who was unable to answer the question, admitted "maybe I'm not as quick on my feet as I should be in coming up with [a mistake]." But weeks later, Bush still hasn't answered the question. In the interest of assisting the President with this surprisingly difficult task we've compiled this list of 100 mistakes he has made since taking office:

Iraq

1. Failing to build a real international coalition prior to the Iraq invasion, forcing the US to shoulder the full cost and consequences of the war.

2. Approving the demobilization of the Iraqi Army in May, 2003 – bypassing the Joint Chiefs of Staff and reversing an earlier position, the President left hundreds of thousands of armed Iraqis disgruntled and unemployed, contributing significantly to the massive security problems American troops have faced during occupation.

3. Not equipping troops in Iraq with adequate body armor or armored HUMVEES.

4. Ignoring the advice Gen. Eric Shinseki regarding the need for more troops in Iraq – now Bush is belatedly adding troops, having allowed the security situation to deteriorate in exactly the way Shinseki said it would if there were not enough troops.

5. Ignoring plans drawn up by the Army War College and other war-planning agencies, which predicted most of the worst security and infrastructure problems America faced in the early days of the Iraq occupation.

6. Making a case for war which ignored intelligence that there were no Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq.

7. Deriding "nation-building" during the 2000 debates, then engaging American troops in one of the most explicit instances of nation building in American history.

8. Predicting along with others in his administration that US troops would be greeted as liberators in Iraq.

9. Predicting Iraq would pay for its own reconstruction.

10. Wildly underestimating the cost of the war.

11. Trusting Ahmed Chalabi, who has dismissed faulty intelligence he provided the President as necessary for getting the Americans to topple Saddam.

12. Disbanding the Sunni Baathist managers responsible for Iraq's water, electricity, sewer system and all the other critical parts of that country's infrastructure.

13. Failing to give UN weapons inspectors enough time to certify if weapons existed in Iraq.

14. Including discredited intelligence concerning Nigerian Yellow Cake in his 2003 State of the Union.

15. Announcing that "major combat operations in Iraq have ended" aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln on May 1, 2003, below a "Mission Accomplished" banner – more U.S. soldiers have died in combat since Bush's announcement than before it.

16. Awarding a multi-billion dollar contract to Halliburton in Iraq, which then repeatedly overcharged the government and served troops dirty food.

17. Refusing to cede any control of Post-invasion Iraq to the international community, meaning reconstruction has received limited aid from European allies or the U.N.

18. Failing to convince NATO allies why invading Iraq was important.

19. Having no real plan for the occupation of Iraq.

20. Limiting bidding on Iraq construction projects to "coalition partners," unnecessarily alienating important allies France, Germany and Russia.

21. Diverting $700 million into Iraq invasion planning without informing Congress.

22. Shutting down an Iraqi newspaper for "inciting violence" – the move, which led in short order to street fighting in Fallujah, incited more violence than the newspaper ever had.

23. Telling Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan about plans to go to war with Iraq before Secretary of State Colin Powell.

Counterterrorism

24. Allowing several members of the Bin Laden family to leave the country just days after 9/11, some of them without being questioned by the FBI.

25. Focusing on missile defense at the expense of counterterrorism prior to 9/11.

26. Thinking al Qaeda could not attack without state sponsors, and ignoring evidence of a growing threat unassociated with "rogue states" like Iraq or North Korea.

27. Threatening to veto the Homeland Security department – The President now concedes such a department "provides the ability for our agencies to coordinate better and to work together better than it was before."

28. Opposing the creation of the September 11th commission, which the President now expects "to contain important recommendations for preventing future attacks."

29. Denying documents to the 9/11 commission, only relenting after the commissioners threatened a subpoena.

30. Failing to pay more attention to an August 6, 2001 PDB entitled "Bin laden Determined to Attack in U.S."

31. Repeatedly ignoring warnings of terrorists planning to use aircraft before 9/11.

32. Appointing the ultra-secretive Henry Kissinger to head the 9/11 commission – Kissinger stepped down weeks later due to conflicts of interest.

33. Asking for testimony before the 9/11 commission be limited to one hour, a position from which the president later backtracked.

34. Not allowing national Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice to testify before the 9/11 commission – Bush changed his mind as pressure mounted.

35. Cutting an FBI request for counterterrorism funds by two-thirds after 9/11.

36. Telling Americans there was a link between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda.

37. Failing to adequately secure the nation's nuclear weapons labs.

38. Not feeling a sense of urgency about terrorism or al Qaeda before 9/11.

Afghanistan

39. Reducing resources and troop levels in Afghanistan and out before it was fully secure.

40. Not providing security in Afghanistan outside of Kabul, leaving nearly 80% of the Afghan population unprotected in areas controlled by Feudal warlords and local militias.

41. Committing inadequate resources for the reconstruction of Afghanistan.

42. Counting too heavily on locally trained troops to fill the void in Afghanistan once U.S. forces were relocated to Iraq.

43. Not committing US ground troops to the capture of Osama Bin Laden, when he was cornered in the Tora Bora region of Afghanistan in November, 2001.

44. Allowing opium production to resume on a massive scale after the ouster of the Taliban.

Weapons of Mass Destruction

45. Opposing an independent inquiry into the intelligence failures surrounding WMD – later, upon signing off on just such a commission, Bush claimed he was "determined to make sure that American intelligence is as accurate as possible for every challenge in the future."

46. Saying: "We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories."

47. Trusting intelligence gathered by Vice President Cheney's and Secretary Rumsfeld's "Office of Special Plans."

48. Spending $6.5 billion on nuclear weapons this year to develop new nuclear weapons this year – 50% more in real dollars than the average during the cold war – while shortchanging the troops on body armor.

Foreign Policy

49. Ignoring the importance of the Middle East peace process, which has deteriorated with little oversight or strategy evident in the region.

50. Siding with China in February, 2004 against a democratic referenda proposed by Taiwan, a notable shift from an earlier pledge to stand with "oppressed peoples until the day of their freedom finally arrives."

51. Undermining the War on Terrorism by preemptively invading Iraq.

52. Failing to develop a specific plan for dealing with North Korea.

53. Abandoning the United States' traditional role as an evenhanded negotiator in the Middle East peace process.

(http://www.americanprogress.org/sit...JRJ8OVF&b=64326)


So Mav, I take it that you have no problem with the last 53 talking points on Foreign Policy? That would be tremendously "loyal" of you, and absolutely ignorant, even for you!

 

Waggie, nobody is perfect. I guarantee you I could give you a list about Clinton about 30 pages long of mistakes he made. Even George Sr, hell even Reagan. Shit Waggie, I could write a book 10k pages long about all the mistakes I made in my life. Nobody is perfect. At the end of the day you have to side with your principles and what you believe in. I believe in George Bush, you believe in nothing. That's about as well as I can sum it up for you.