Your quotes: "And Yes, outside of Orange county, California is very liberal." "I stand by that statement. Outside of Orange county, California is very liberal. I didn't say all liberal, I said very liberal." "I was very accurate with that quote." Fact: San Deigo county is outside of Orange County. Fact: San Diego is a very conservative county. Fact: You were wrong. Fact: You were innacurate with your quote. Specualtion: You are too stubborn to admit you are wrong about your quote, just as you are wrong about California. You know nothing of California.
Wait a minute. How are you coming to this conclusion? California is a very large state no? Outside of Orange county I said California is very liberal. How is that not true? Of the remaining population that is not included in Orange county, I would venture a guess that over 60% of that is democratic and most of those democrats being very liberal. This is a true statement. That could mean that San Diego is very conservative and Santa Barbara is very conservative but yet the state as a whole outside of Orange county is liberal. Why are you twisting this into something else. Let me ask you something mr. California know it all. When was the last time California voted republican for president? Fifteen years ago. And that is not because of all the republicans in orange county. Get your facts straight and keep the name calling to a minimum. Your credibility is dropping faster then a two dollar whore on Sunset Blvd.
"Oh, you are more interested in riots, fires, earthquakes, water droughts, traffic, blackouts, high taxes, high murder rates, and plastic surgeons in every strip mall." So please enlighten all of us Maverick. What is wrong with plastic surgeons? Why do you associate plastic surgeons with a negative quality of life, and imply that they are symptomatic of California? What, you don't have any plastic surgeons in the midwest? Please ENLIGHTEN US!!!
Quote from Maverick: "I'm not wrong. Are you saying that a state that takes a disproportionate amount of the income that you have earned and then redistributes that wealth to everyone else is not socialism? California penalizes you for being successful and then takes that money and tries to help those on the bottom. So in other words they are bringing the guys on the top down and the guys on the bottom up. That is socialism. You can deny it all you want, that's what it is." Montana takes 11% of its residents income in the way of personal income taxes . . . Does that make them Socialist?
Gee Mav, I guess that you didn't know that California ranks a mere 19th out of all 50 states and the District of Columbia in the tax burden that it poses on individuals and businesses, as a percentage of personal income for the year 2000. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- California's tax myths Despite complaints, state's rate is far from highest Sam Zuckerman, Chronicle Economics Writer Sunday, August 31, 2003 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's not Taxifornia. The widely held view that California is unusually harsh in taxing its people -- which is echoing especially loudly in the state's gubernatorial recall campaign -- is largely a myth. It turns out that California ranks a mere 19th out of all 50 states and the District of Columbia in the tax burden it imposes on individuals and businesses. "There is a perception that California is a high tax-and-spend state." said Arturo Perez, an analyst with the National Conference of State Legislatures in Denver. "It is above average. But it is far from having the highest rate of taxation." The ranking is based on total state and local taxes, fees and other revenue as a percentage of personal income in 2000, the most recent year for which complete data are available, according to the Federation of Tax Administrators. That's the indicator experts consider the best way of calculating the total weight of taxes that individuals and businesses carry. A narrower measure that only includes taxes, leaving out fees, pegged California as ninth in 2000, according to the Rockefeller Institute of Government in Albany, N.Y. The difference reflects the fact that many other states get a bigger proportion of their revenue from fees for such services as registering an auto, using a campground or attending a state college. Face it Maverick, you continually misrepresent the facts, make flat out false statements, and twist everything so that it fits in your nice "black and white" political box. You have consistently shown everyone on this board just how very little you know about the State of California and its issues . . . Moreover, your failure to know anything about the 14th Amendment, PRUCOL, and the fact that illegal immigration is a FEDERAL matter that Congress fails to address also shows how ignorant you are about the subject. The State of California does not invite pregnant Mexican women to come across the border and have their children for FREE, the U.S. Constitution and the 14th Amendment does! You obviously NEVER replied to my posting about PROPOSITION 187 that was passed on 59% of the vote ( Gee, why would all of those liberals pass a measure that would terminate health, education, and social service benefits for people? ) in 1994 because you knew nothing about it, and also because it failed to support your absurd viewpoint that illegal immigration to California is due to some sort of Red Carpet that the state lays out. This is totally false, and the vote of the people back in 1994 says it is false. But once again, you won't address it because it flat out says that you are WRONG about the issues confronting California. Again Maverick, California does not invite pregnant Mexican women to come across the border and have their babies for FREE here. It is the United States Consitution and the 14th Amendment. Duh.
Michael, My problem with plastic surgeons is that CA has an obsession with them. People out there are so pretentious and so fake even you have to admit this. I'm not saying everyone, I'm just saying CA has a much higher percentage of them then anyone else. I was amazed when I was out there at the fact that there was a cosmetic surgeon in almost every strip mall in LA and Orange county. The reason I brought that up was because like the earthquakes and the fires and the floods and everything else, it's just another reason why I would not want to live there. Now there are plastic surgeons here and there in the midwest but they are not easy to find. People simply have no interest in that out here, not everyone, but most people.
Mike, I am against all states that take a ridiculous amount of their income to put back into state run social programs. Not just California. The topic of this thread though was California. I believe in no state income taxes. Why should you have to pay state income taxes when you are already taxed on everything under the sun already?
We are glad you don't want to live here actually, ever think about that? Why would you think those of us who live here have any interest in why you don't want to live here anyway? Tell us were you live, and we will find plenty of reasons not to live there too. Since when did the topic of this thread become about where you do or don't want to live?
Gee Mav, I guess that you didn't know that California ranks a mere 19th out of all 50 states and the District of Columbia in the tax burden that it poses on individuals and businesses, as a percentage of personal income for the year 2000. I know that number is higher for 2002 and 2003 You obviously NEVER replied to my posting about PROPOSITION 187 that was passed on 59% of the vote ( Gee, why would all of those liberals pass a measure that would terminate health, education, and social service benefits for people? ) in 1994 because you knew nothing about it, and also because it failed to support your absurd viewpoint that illegal immigration to California is due to some sort of Red Carpet that the state lays out. This is totally false, and the vote of the people back in 1994 says it is false. But once again, you won't address it because it flat out says that you are WRONG about the issues confronting California. I already commented on prop 187 on a previous post. Prop 187 has encouraged illegals to now stay in CA where they use to just migrate back and forth thereby perpetuating the existing problem.
I already commented on prop 187 on a previous post. Prop 187 has encouraged illegals to now stay in CA where they use to just migrate back and forth thereby perpetuating the existing problem. [/B] But whose fault is that? The purpose of prop 187 (as far as I understand it) was California tried to stifle illegal immigration. Are you saying Californians are therefore at fault because it was ruled unconstitutional? I hope ARTrader doesn't go into a tizzy because I don't live in California either; I was just struck by the weird logic.