Yet, calling someone "Gomer Pyle" has never been a term of endearment. It would be taken as an insult. His character is that of a fool. The point was that a black man who looked and acted the way Jaleel White acted when he played Urkel is less likely to be rousted than someone who looks like a gangster rapper (but is just an actor). ...and someone who looked like Jim Nabors playing Gomer Pyle would be less likely to be rousted than a white actor playing a gangster rapper....but who would have a better chance of being rousted at all? Jim Nabors or Jaleel White? Try to answer honestly... Honestly, you are more ignorant that I would have thought. Do some research to see just how idiotic and ignorant your claim is. Look at the pictures of some African Americans who had to be inconvenienced by profiling and you will see that: 1. Light skinned African Americans are not immune. 2. No one actually looks like Urkel as that character is a caricature. 3. African Americans, well dressed, driving expensive cars were affected. 4. Even African Americans who wear glasses were not immune. That's why they called it DWB. "Driving while Black." As that is all it took to be pulled over. They could only see the skin color in a moving vehicle. If it didn't look white, pull it over. So racial profiling does take place...and you don't have a problem with it? And those who are racially profiled should just bend over and take it, not put up a resistance because they are innocent? An innocent white guy gets angry for being rousted... An innocent black guy gets angry for being rousted... Who do you think catches more flack? You seriously know nothing. Your whole experience is based on Hollywood images. You have no real life experience whatsoever when it comes to this issue. You are entitled to your belief...and if this is how you make arguments, by this style of accusation...well, that does reveal some self righteous indignation... On Long Island, NY, as an example, teenagers hanging out of all races get harassed pretty much equally by law enforcement. I've been in many situations with my white and black friends when I was a teenager. SO I know factually firsthand. I have extended family with similiar sitauations who live in both mixed and predominately upscale communities in various states that echo the same. So your arguments are from your personal experience. If I produce someone who has an opposite argument from your personal experience....well, who is right? As an example, I've been in a situation with one of my white friends about 20 years ago when he was driving and evading a patrol car. When we met up with a road block, he was dragged out of the car, thrown up against a fence and beaten with a baton as he resisted and cursed at the officers. He was dressed like Vanilla Ice - seeing as you can only relate to media figures. Myself? Dressed like I was a member of SW1. Your friend was evading a patrol car? Good choice of friends... I was never cuffed. My friend on the other hand was arrested. I was released at the scene. I didn't want to be seen being let out of a police car at my home so I declined and walked home. And that's just one example. Do you think slaves who resisted were beaten? How about the ones who just bowed down and said "yes master, yes sir, yes officer." So you know how to be submissive. Bully for you. Is that how innocent people act? Submissive? Fearful that if they might be beaten, simply because they stood up for their rights? As I said, how you dress and how you "look" is irrelevant. That is what you said. What if you dressed in Muslim garb? Would that be irrelevant? If a Mexican in Arizona were wearing a Brooks Brothers suit and another Mexican were wearing jeans and a T Shirt...even if the one wearing the Suit was illegal, and the T Shirt one was legal...how they dress would be irrelevant to how they were viewed by the police? Though how you behave does have an impact. And that is what I teach African American and Muslim youth. Many exacerbate the situation with indignation and a poor attitude. I was taught well and while I have been inconvenienced by profiling, the inconvenience was minimal each time. Yes, bowing down in subservience instead of acting like an attorney who knows the law and their rights is what you teach. Gainsay and obfuscation. I never defended the law in Arizona. I know, you need me to otherwise you have no issue to hang your hat on. You take my lack of strong disapproval to mean approval. So you are not defending the practice of profiling? Really... I also have to assume you do not get out much and have never had an experience with law enforcement. While as a citizen you may be innocent until proven guilty, with law enforcement, they practically see everyone as a person of interest who has to verify their innocence. Assume all you like. Ever travel on a plane lately? International flight? You might be clearly innocent and no one would have a need to "harass" you. But since security can't do the obvious, that is to say, profile, everyone has to be inconvenienced. That includes pregnant mothers, the elderly, etc. Though, of course, profiling still happens there. I have an in-law with a Arab sounding name who routinely gets harassed. And he's White. As long as everyone is treated the same, there is no problem, and no reason to be subservient out of fear...right? Really? I didn't say it was OK. No where can you make the argument that I'm for it. I'm pragmatic. I deal with it. And I help others to deal with it also. Worse still, your opinion is based on googled and media sound bites and not on real valid or personal experience. Lying and pretending is very pragmatic, being subservient is pragmatic, sucking up is very pragmatic...as long as a person rationalizes this in their own mind, this debasing themselves for pragmatism...that's their right. I mean, look who you are equating me with now? Everyone's favorite cliched uncle Tom, Clarence Thomas. Who if you really took the time to learn about, is anything but. But no, you go with his opposition's and media characterization. Much like the media support President Barack Obama enjoys. I'm not equating you with anyone in particular. You don't appear to be a person who wants any hassle, even if you are hassled for no good reason, so you just pragmatically take it up the ass and don't complain... And another thing; "conforming to a white man's world?" Does the racism ever stop with you? What the hell is a "white man's world?" You don't know what a white man's world is? It is a world where the white men have the power over the non whites. It is a political situation. How insulting. It's one thing when African American's speak that way with one another - much like how we can use the N' word as a term of endearment or branding one a "sell out", but coming from anyone other is insulting and harkens back to slavery days. Sure, I know, it's a double standard in your eyes. I don't see it as a double standard. Words don't mean much, the intention means everything. There are those police that don't care. I drive a BMW. Dress decently most of the time, depending on mood or occasion. They won't know how I am are until they have a chance to pull me over and meet me. That's when I have my opportunity to defuse things with my manner of character. And I always do. Sometimes it's quick. Sometimes I have to put a little more effort into it. You drive a BMW. Now isn't that special... In any event, please don't pretend to know what it is all about. You pretend to know what I am all about... I've been there and done that and had to face actual racism. My stories are many. I've developed a set of skills and a positive, pragmatic, and reasonable attitude because of my experiences and upbringing. Mostly due to preferences or ignorance. But I do not use them to harm others. At least not intentionally. And when I'm told I'm coming off as racist, I backtrack, apologize, and take note. Yes, you put pragmatism first, got that already... You'll likely come back and say more things that damn your character. So in the interest of saving whatever dignity you might think you have left, I would suggest you refrain from commenting further in this regard. It has to be done on some level. Appreciate your suggesting, but since you aren't the law, I am going to politely decline your suggestion... I mean, look at how you are profiling and pigeon-holing African Americans into media stereotypes in order to attempt to make a point. The point was made, effectively. You certainly got all riled up about it. See? And I had to deal with that profiling. I asked if you looked like Urkel... From there you went apeshit...
Optional I don't get your point...!? Why shouldn't he be "all riled up" about it!? You called him Urkel because he doesn't agree with you. So, I guess the only black people you consider worthy are the militant types? He should be "raging against the man" even though he doens't share your ideology? Is that what you're trying to say?
He has the right to be riled up, sure. Would I get riled up over it? No. Would I start quoting my own personal experiences to defend or explain my position. No. To each their own. I can't say anyone should be raging against any one else. However, everyone knows internally when they have subordinated themselves out of convenience, fear, pragmatism, etc. Everyone has their own self to answer to, everyone looks in the mirror and knows how much they have compromised themselves and their genuine principles...
Don't feel bad, there isn't one. He's a troll. Optional/ZZZzzzzz and logic go together like...oil and water.
30% of the residents of Arizona are American's who are of hispanic descent. Looks like the POLIZEI will have their hands full asking for ALL of their papers . . . all based off of skin-color and accent. Hear that sucking sound coming from Mexico and Latin America? That's all of the TRADE that just dried-up due to that idiot Governor of Arizona, Jan Brewer who just violated Federally mandated law. Not the sharpest "tool" in the shed, that's for sure!
What's your answer to the problem? Illegal aliens are just that illegal, and create a financial burden upon the health and educational systems in Arizona, at a time when States are under extreme fiscal burdens, not to mention the sudden increase in violence along the boarder. Up to this point a local Arizona peace officer could not inquire to a persons citizenship status during any form of questioning or traffic stop, even if they suspected that person of being here illegally. They deferred that to the Boarder Patrol and the National Government for immigration control....But guess what? It ain't working. This law has specific language that prohibits racial profiling. Now I'm not naive, I know it goes on, specially in the area of drug enforcement. But while any law can be enforced outside of it's intent, the intent here is to allow local law enforcement the ability to help control a growing problem. The State has the responsibility to protect it's citizens, that protection spreads from violence to the ability and resources to educate and care for it's LEGAL citizens. There are laws and programs in place that allow for Green Cards and legal access to employment. If your here illegally you're breaking the law. I don't get why people ignore this. The DNC is trying to make this a political issue to garner Hispanic votes this November. Guess we need to make it law to provide citizenship status in order to vote. See how many politicians vote for that. I think we should start a Arizona Support Thread.
You're correct! The supporters and apologists are quick to be critical, but slow, slow, slow in offering any solutions. Here's the deal folks, whether you like it or not. A non citizen is not entitled to come here just because they want too. There are hoops to jump through. Further, a person who came here illegally is not entitled to stay here just because they are here. To the supporters of illegal immigrants, offer up a viable, legal and costitutional solution that does not violate the rights of U.S. citizens, or STFU!
He's a troll. Of the extreme variety you read about but are skeptical of their actual existence. Also an ignorant, self-absorbed, self-important racist. Which of course makes him a hypocrite to the issue. I'm sure he likes to take the other side of the issue since he attributes the issue with Tea Party ideals. And since he hasn't any faculties for reason, he is forced to take a deeply liberal view of the issue. All of which serves his penchant for trolling.