Arizona New World Order. "Sir are your papers in order"

About time you figured that out.

Here's how vile it is:

IT was having a disagreement with another member, and in its trolling effort, made a remark to a moderator about how funny it would be to amke a remark to the other guy about wishing his kids would be sexually attacked, and then watch him go apeshit about it. All in the name of trolling and getting its rocks off.

This is the level that this particular piece of dogshit will sink to in order to continue to troll.

 

Actually, I grew up in a rough working class neighborhood. I’m white and I hang out mostly with whites. When I was younger, close to the end of High school, all of my white friends that looked like rappers or “hippies” were harassed by the police for no reason. A friend of mine was forcibly searched at Wal-Mart because the police thought he had drugs on him. The funny thing is that I suspect that the cop wasn’t even on duty when he did that. The reason was probably because my friend wears his hair long and was wearing an army jacket at the time. Otherwise, I see no reason for him being searched. Sorry, but for the most part you don't know what you're talking about.

However, I do agree with you when you say that the police shouldn't harass people because of how they look or how they dress.

 

Last week, President Obama called the Arizona law “misguided,” and instructed administration lawyers to “examine the civil rights and other implications.”
Holder voiced similar concerns. He said the measure was “unfortunate” in that it might give rise to potential “abuse” by law enforcement officials.

How stupid are these guys? Any law has an potential abuse factor. Here's a tip Mr. President. Tell your boy Holder to do his f'n job and the states won't have to do it for him.

 

So it appears to bother you that your friend was rousted for no good reason other than he looked like a drug user!

So a Mexican guy walking down the street (who happens to be an American citizen) gets rousted because he looks like an illegal Mexican?

And that is okay?

 

Harokigirl doesn't like it...

 

I get the point that you're trying to make, I really do. I'm not fond of legislation that starts to look like the kind of laws a police state would have.

Now, for the other part... When searching for illegal Mexican immigrants whom should you search? The funny thing is that in trying to be PC the law was made so that it is all inclusive, meaning that everybody is equally going to feel the new powers of the police. Perhaps, a little discrimination in this case wouldn’t have been so bad!? It’s both comical and tragic at the same time for all the wrong reasons.

 

Yet, calling someone "Gomer Pyle" has never been a term of endearment. It would be taken as an insult. His character is that of a fool.

Honestly, you are more ignorant that I would have thought. Do some research to see just how idiotic and ignorant your claim is. Look at the pictures of some African Americans who had to be inconvenienced by profiling and you will see that:

1. Light skinned African Americans are not immune.
2. No one actually looks like Urkel as that character is a caricature.
3. African Americans, well dressed, driving expensive cars were affected.
4. Even African Americans who wear glasses were not immune.

That's why they called it DWB. "Driving while Black." As that is all it took to be pulled over. They could only see the skin color in a moving vehicle. If it didn't look white, pull it over.

You seriously know nothing. Your whole experience is based on Hollywood images. You have no real life experience whatsoever when it comes to this issue.

On Long Island, NY, as an example, teenagers hanging out of all races get harassed pretty much equally by law enforcement. I've been in many situations with my white and black friends when I was a teenager. SO I know factually firsthand. I have extended family with similiar sitauations who live in both mixed and predominately upscale communities in various states that echo the same.

As an example, I've been in a situation with one of my white friends about 20 years ago when he was driving and evading a patrol car. When we met up with a road block, he was dragged out of the car, thrown up against a fence and beaten with a baton as he resisted and cursed at the officers. He was dressed like Vanilla Ice - seeing as you can only relate to media figures. Myself? Dressed like I was a member of SW1. Look it up. I already had my hands on the dash without prompting from officers who had their guns drawn. Didn't say anything until I was asked a question. I was never dragged out, cursed at, or treated poorly. My answers always ended with "sir and officer." My tone was respectful at all times.

I was never cuffed. My friend on the other hand was arrested. I was released at the scene. The only inconvenience I had was having to wait around to speak to detectives and later arranging my own transportation from the scene. Though the officers offered to take me home. I didn't want to be seen being let out of a police car at my home so I declined and walked home.

And that's just one example.

As I said, how you dress and how you "look" is irrelevant. Though how you behave does have an impact. And that is what I teach African American and Muslim youth. Many exacerbate the situation with indignation and a poor attitude. I was taught well and while I have been inconvenienced by profiling, the inconvenience was minimal each time.

Gainsay and obfuscation. I never defended the law in Arizona. I know, you need me to otherwise you have no issue to hang your hat on. You take my lack of strong disapproval to mean approval.

I also have to assume you do not get out much and have never had an experience with law enforcement. While as a citizen you may be innocent until proven guilty, with law enforcement, they practically see everyone as a person of interest who has to verify their innocence.

Ever travel on a plane lately? International flight? You might be clearly innocent and no one would have a need to "harass" you. But since security can't do the obvious, that is to say, profile, everyone has to be inconvenienced. That includes pregnant mothers, the elderly, etc. Though, of course, profiling still happens there. I have an in-law with a Arab sounding name who routinely gets harassed. And he's White.

Really? I didn't say it was OK. No where can you make the argument that I'm for it. I'm pragmatic. I deal with it. And I help others to deal with it also. Unless you actually lived through it, you're opinion is purely academic. Worse still, your opinion is based on googled and media sound bites and not on real valid or personal experience.

I mean, look who you are equating me with now? Everyone's favorite cliched uncle Tom, Clarence Thomas. Who if you really took the time to learn about, is anything but. But no, you go with his opposition's and media characterization. A characterization that was started by Black activists and endorsed by liberal media bias. Had Clarence Thomas been at least a centrist democrat, he would have found a media looking to defend him against Black activist railings of "sell out." Much like the media support President Barack Obama enjoys.

And another thing; "conforming to a white man's world?" Does the racism ever stop with you? What the hell is a "white man's world?" How insulting. It's one thing when African American's speak that way with one another - much like how we can use the N' word as a term of endearment or branding one a "sell out", but coming from anyone other is insulting and harkens back to slavery days. Sure, I know, it's a double standard in your eyes.

There are those police that don't care. I drive a BMW. Dress decently most of the time, depending on mood or occasion. They won't know how I am are until they have a chance to pull me over and meet me. That's when I have my opportunity to defuse things with my manner of character. And I always do. Sometimes it's quick. Sometimes I have to put a little more effort into it.

In any event, please don't pretend to know what it is all about. I've been there and done that and had to face actual racism. My stories are many. I've developed a set of skills and a positive, pragmatic, and reasonable attitude because of my experiences and upbringing. I hold no ill will towards people of other races. I do have some racist attitudes that crop up like every other human being. Mostly due to preferences or ignorance. But I do not use them to harm others. At least not intentionally. And when I'm told I'm coming off as racist, I backtrack, apologize, and take note.

You'll likely come back and say more things that damn your character. So in the interest of saving whatever dignity you might think you have left, I would suggest you refrain from commenting further in this regard. Merely comment on the egregiousness to the situation in Arizona and offer an alternate remedy or two. Hopefully in trying to formulate a remedy you will note how inescapable profiling ultimately is. It has to be done on some level.

I mean, look at how you are profiling and pigeon-holing African Americans into media stereotypes in order to attempt to make a point.

Urkle, Tupac, Clarence Thomas.

See? And I had to deal with that profiling.

 

Best place to search for illegal immigrants?

The businesses that hire them...that way you kill two birds with one stone. You get the illegal, and you get the criminal who hires them...

 

You got it! It's all about how suspicious you look and the cops have a very broad definition of suspicious! Although, in the case of your friend trying to evade a road block was definetely a bad idea. :eek:

 

Yet what drove Arizona to this point was the high crime being committed by illegals who are unemployed.

Glug, glug, glug.