Are you good at price action and technical analysis?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by longandshort, Mar 4, 2023.

  1. great point -- and just to add, I'm not saying ta/pa is completely worthless. there's definitely a role it can play, however, it's not sufficient on its own.
     
    #151     Mar 6, 2023
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  2. Fair point and again, appreciate the clearer set of rules.

    If I show a chart with 1yr candles and volume, what else would I need? Also what time period would the forecast period be suitable for. E.g. using this data you would bet that price is > or < within X interval.
     
    #152     Mar 6, 2023
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  3. %%
    Sure is noise, so honestly i did not want to take that exact test.
    But when i enter a daytrade; i find a 2 daychart with yesterdays close much more helpful.
    Pennies dont help me much also;
    unless its pennies per ton in metals. The metals dealer i do most business with ; has minutes + seconds time stamp so some times 5 minutes is too much time on thatLOL:D:D
    Price charts are not enough @ all, no way steel scrap trades like copper or tech stocks or tech ETFs, or SPY benchmark trades alike.
    Even though[IBD]+ WSJ puts SPY over NQ line charts; % + drawdown tends to be so different.
     
    #153     Mar 6, 2023
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  4. easymon1

    easymon1

    Go for it! 1minute, 5minute will do. We'll need a dozen of them selected at as random as you can and triggering between the hours of 8:00 am and 12:00 noon.
    They don't have to exit within any particular time horizon, they will just follow the rules and either stop out or 100% target out.
    If the individual traders want to go for different paramaters, that's an option, but unless otherwise specified, they are just vanilla basic Double tops or bottoms as posted in the 'rules'. Thanks!
    https://elitetrader.com/et/threads/...t-right-here-baby.335635/page-18#post-5309309
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    #154     Mar 6, 2023
  5. %%
    THAT's one of the big problems with 5 minute charts;
    3 days data with 5 minute charts = confusing to me. Can ZOOm in but then its not 3 days; + can look like too much of a wild zoo.
    I dont have the following problem with 5 minute charts;
    but i remember Don Bright Daytrading not liking them= too long LOL:D:D
    With less than 14 minutes to close looks like SPY stays above yesterdays close;
    + if it does not , SPY =still above 50dma/200dma/ 6 month trend also. NOTa predcition, not noise....................................................
     
    #155     Mar 6, 2023
  6. Hello @longandshort

    The ET traders you are trying to get answers from do not Know the answer or have an answer.

    They are discretionary manual traders. Meaning they trade what they see and feel on the chart in the moment.

    If you want concrete statically trading base answers, you need to only talk to system traders. A discretionary trader can not help you with stats, just example of what they think may work in the future of their trading.

    Here is definition below of system based trading and discretionary trading.

    Both ways can make money.

    https://www.cmegroup.com/education/...nt/system-based-vs-discretionary-trading.html
     
    #156     Mar 6, 2023
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  7. easymon1

    easymon1

    Say what? Do your stats. Doh!, I forgot who I was talking too, lol. How's that new box project going?
     
    #157     Mar 6, 2023
  8. Just to be clear — you’re saying you want a chart with 1 min candles? And the view is where price will be in 5 min?
     
    #158     Mar 6, 2023
  9. deaddog

    deaddog

    I don't know that my approach is not random. What I do know is that it has been profitable for the last 20 years.
    Win rate is not a metric that means a lot if you don't make a profit. You don't have to win more trades than you lose in order to make money.
     
    #159     Mar 6, 2023
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  10. easymon1

    easymon1

    No, let's make the charts 1minute candles. Let's make the charts 5minute candles. Or let's make them a mix of both, that would be great. As probabilities go, there will need to be more than one example included inasmuch as one single trade tells us nothing, but a dozen would be a start on a good honest ballpark loose estimate of the setup's potential for further inquiry.
    The time window is a matter of the setup's formation.
    In the example above, if the very last candle that prints before the hard right edge would be the one that closes across the neckline (by the numeral '8' in the example), that starts the trade by triggering an entry on the next bar open, according to the vanilla directions.
    The amount of candles that you include before the formation is up to you, but if it shows this much, we're in business...
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    #160     Mar 6, 2023