are we just making things complicated?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by Gordon Gekko, Sep 13, 2002.

  1. Quah


    I have no doubt at all that your statement is true. I'm sure that methods that adapts to market changes work wonderfully.

    But I wouldn't use that to say that methods that don't adapt to market conditions are bound to fail. Surely profitable methods exist that work indepenent of market conditions. Many ways to skin that cat even over the long term.
    #31     Sep 14, 2002
  2. This is true -- that's why I said many and not all. I'm watching your "simplistic system" thread with peaked curiousity. You've taken a rather unique approach to trading ES that may work very well for you over time.
    #32     Sep 14, 2002
  3. No one said your method is wrong -- I just think what you're attributing to your success may not be what you think. But when you make statements like "who cares as long as you make money" -- well I would care, if someone is making money and I want to learn from that method, first off I would want to check if his system has merit and really carries an edge that I can emulate.

    Take the example of a system that just sells out of the money puts and calls one week before expiration. I'll bet that system will be quite profitable for perhaps a very long time -- until the one time some stock gets a takeover bid or announces CEO fraud and the system ends up losing all of it's former gains and then some. If someone came onto this board and said "look, selling out of the money naked calls and puts is easy money" -- wouldn't you have to do a bit more analysis of that system before you can even say it's a logical system, even though it may be profitable for months and months?

    There's nothing wrong with critiquing a method, that's what we're here for; no need to get that defensive, eh? :D
    #33     Sep 14, 2002
  4. Quah


    I really wasn't specifically refering to the method I posted. Mainly my only concerns are blanket statements that mechanical systems don't work, indicators can't work, stuff like that.

    No one really knows what might work for them and what won't until they've tried it. And even then, they really have no idea how long it will continue to work, no matter what their method is.
    #34     Sep 15, 2002
  5. I think you're absolutely wrong in this statement.

    With this statement what you're really saying is that we can't know anything by any other method than "trying it". Son, it's going to be a long, tough life with that particular philosophy. This sounds like a feel good, evenhanded approach to life...but I'll guarantee you it's a hard road to hoe.

    I can tell you some kinds of things that don't work after 35 years of trading. And if they do work temporarily I can tell you they won't work for long.

    #35     Sep 15, 2002

  6. What are you talking about Old Dude? Wasn't Quah just making the same point?
    #36     Sep 15, 2002
  7. daniel_m,

    You are as charming as ever. "Old dude?"

    Come on, show some respect for people.
    #37     Sep 15, 2002
  8. Nope...completely opposite point. I hope your trading skills exceed your reading skills...."dude".

    #38     Sep 15, 2002
  9. toby400


    I like your style Old trader:D
    #39     Sep 15, 2002
  10. What moves the market is a difference of opinion. Fortunately we dont agree on everything. I would like to point out that not all indicators are lagging. Momentum often leads price and divergences, which are not always obvious by price alone, can be very lucrative.
    #40     Sep 15, 2002