Are we at peak rates for T-Bills?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by David Donner, Oct 10, 2023.

  1. Sergio123

    Sergio123

    I think that we are close for everything < 4 months.
     
    #11     Oct 10, 2023
  2. I think the economy is going to slow & the market, not the Fed, will start lowering the rates, with the Fed following. The budget cant sustain 5% interest on the national debt. The Fed knows this too.
     
    #12     Oct 10, 2023
  3. Sergio123

    Sergio123

    Well then you can trade according to your thesis.

    I am in the camp that long rates keep climbing for the rest of the decade. Saving the USD is the highest of priority. The economy will adjust and everything will be alright.

    But we are just getting started. Still a long way to go.
     
    #13     Oct 10, 2023
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  4. piezoe

    piezoe

    What measure of money supply are you using, or what is the source of these numbers? What comprises your 8T?

    Let's just assume that during QE the Fed bought back 8 trillion worth of Treasury securities from the private sector by marking up private sector bank reserve accounts over the period March 9, 2009 through March 9, 2022. Wouldn't that mean that the Fed eliminated 8 Trillion dollars of "National Debt" over just 13 years? Shouldn't that make you, and wouldn't that make the MAGA Republicans, very, very happy? :cool: (I didn't look to see if the debt clock on Times Square went backwards. Did you?)
     
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    #14     Oct 10, 2023
  5. piezoe

    piezoe

    BOING!!! :rolleyes: This would be fun to see. The market decides to retail loan at 4% while Banks are loaning to each other at 5.5%. Then Chase goes to a Manhattan pay day lender to borrow at 4% because Goldman is going to charge them 5.5% . YeeHaw :D:D:D
     
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    #15     Oct 10, 2023
  6. nitrene

    nitrene

    Amazing. They would have to let 7 Trillion in assets roll off the balance sheet to get to pre-Lehman Brothers. It seems unlikely to ever happen.
     
    #16     Oct 11, 2023
  7. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    Might take hell to freeze over, but they have got rid of $1t or so ... so far.
     
    #17     Oct 11, 2023
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  9. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    If that was the case they would have done so already - 2 or 3 increases back.
     
    #19     Oct 11, 2023
  10. Sergio123

    Sergio123

    The only solution to this problem is for the government to curb spending. T-Bill rates are set by market price.
    Do you want full yield curve control like Japan?

    The higher interest rates are for consumers. Not for government and banks. The Fed will setup some special facilities for the government and banks in order to meet their obligations.
     
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    #20     Oct 11, 2023