Are those who oppose outsourcing racist?

Discussion in 'Economics' started by Ash1972, Jan 26, 2011.

  1. Yes, it is annoying to me to have to talk to a help desk person whose accent is so thick that I cannot understand him. It is also annoying when they try to "Americanize" their names. If you are Indian, then be that, speak clearly and I will let it go as long as you can help me.

    Opposing outsourcing is not racist if it is not about race. 80% of the worlds population is brown/black and if a darker person mates with a lighter one, the tendency is for the child to be darker than the lightest of the parents. What does that mean?

    Nothing.


    There are many people here who are worried about their culture, or their country being bred out of existence. We are one planet, and one species, those who cannot comprehend that will suffer, but only as long as their own minds imprison them.
     
    #11     Jan 26, 2011
  2. Ash1972

    Ash1972

    No, in a capitalist model, wealth is transferred from worse to better, in a socialist model it is transferred from better to worse. It beggars belief how you think my view is socialist.
     
    #12     Jan 26, 2011
  3. Disagree. Not based upon race. Those opposed to outsourcing, especially unions, are so because of economics... they don't want to give up their well paying job to ANYBODY.
     
    #13     Jan 26, 2011
  4. I haven't seen the opposition saying that at all. It is not a matter of who is more deserving. It is a question of national self-interest. Or call it rational self-interest.

    It's hard to see how we can have a viable middle class in this country if the majority of manufacturing jobs and engineering/scientific work is done offshore. We will be left with the sort of third world economy we see developing now, where we rely on extractive industries, agriculture, have vast wealth disparities and politics characterized by demagoguery and class envy.

    The ruling elites in this country, of both parties, made an implicit decision that the way to restrain China was to integrate them into the world economic system. Of course, it was an easy decision for the elites because factory workers would be paying the price, not them. It can be argued that the decision worked out brilliantly, maybe too brilliantly.
     
    #14     Jan 26, 2011
  5. Ash1972

    Ash1972

    Yes, it's also in my self interest to prevent someone who can work more cheaply than me from getting the job I want! So I should vote for a government that will prevent cheaper workers than me getting 'my' job, right? :)
     
    #15     Jan 26, 2011
  6. Ash1972

    Ash1972

    Yes, but how are the unions JUSTIFYING their position? By saying "I want to keep my well paying job, that's it!!"? No, it's all talk about society, fellow Americans this that and the other. Business owners like to save their money just as much as their employees who want to shop at Walmart.
     
    #16     Jan 26, 2011
  7. Spot on!

    What made America economically great was a significant middle class.... that grew as a result of (1) less educated could get a well-paying job at the local plant or mill, (2) unions helped the workers get ever higher wages through their usual legalized extortion, and (3) 1 & 2 worked due to lack of competition for manufacturing.

    All that is changed now that 300-500 million low labor cost workers have entered the world job market.

    Our own economic policies have exacerbated our decline... and we won't be "coming back" in any meaningful way at least until the Boomers die out. Likely, not even then.
     
    #17     Jan 26, 2011
  8. olias

    olias

    It's a very similar phenomenon to 'racism' but not exactly the same thing. There seems to be a perception that this 'other' is not as valuable as 'us'. It's a persistent illusion that we're all susceptible to.

    Think about this: why do we get so much more upset when a tragedy happens in Oklahoma than if a much worse tragedy happens in Bangladesh? We don't care about those 'others' so much. They aren't 'one of us', right? We're not connected to them.... But this is an illusion. Really how are we any more connected to some unknown people in Oklahoma?

    So when it comes to outsourcing, my feeling is 'where is that job going to do the most good for humanity?' Undoubtedly that job will make a bigger impact in a third world country.

    Also, what's up with this saying of 'God bless the USA'....what does that imply? that the rest of the world is not as important? Let's stop and think about what we're saying and what we're thinking
     
    #18     Jan 26, 2011
  9. Not bad, not bad at all.
     
    #19     Jan 26, 2011
  10. I support the rise of India and China.

    We need global economic multipolarity and a fairer distribution of wealth. If that means a few Americans take the hit, so be it... they should try harder.
     
    #20     Jan 26, 2011