Are they covering up Abrego Garcia's death or something?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Tuxan, Apr 14, 2025.

  1. Again. Link?
     
    #41     Apr 16, 2025
  2. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    It is worth noting that he was just sixteen when he made it to the US in 2011. He has never been convicted of a crime in either country but is now in prison for life.

    Here is a very comprehensive account.


    The allegation seems to stem from double hearsay in a document authored by a later suspended police detective.

    https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/abrego-garcia-and-ms-13--what-do-we-know
     
    #42     Apr 16, 2025
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  3. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    I have run into things like this tangentially several times across the world.

    "Abrego Garcia’s mother, Cecilia, ran a family business out of her home in San Salvador, according to Judge Jones’s narrative. She made pupusas—a Salvadoran stuffed tortilla dish. Kilmar and his brother, Cesar, would make deliveries to the business’s customers.

    Pupuseria Cecilia, as the business was known, was sufficiently prosperous that a violent Salvadoran gang, Barrio 18, began extorting money from the family. The gang demanded monthly and, later, weekly payments, and threatened to harm Kilmar, rape his sisters, or kill Cesar if the family did not comply. The family paid.

    Eventually, Barrio 18 tried to recruit Cesar as a member. It said the family could stop paying weekly tribute if it surrendered him to the gang. The family refused. On one occasion, gang members entered the family’s home and threatened to kill Cesar until Kilmar’s father paid the tribute money. Soon thereafter, the family sent Cesar to the United States.

    After Cesar left, the gang began trying to recruit Kilmar. Members of Barrio 18 entered the family’s home and threatened to kill Kilmar unless “rent” was paid or Kilmar was turned over to the gang. The family paid the money.

    The family moved twice but could not shake the gang’s threats and demands. Even after Cecilia closed the business, Barrio 18 continued to threaten Kilmar, his sisters, and family. Finally, in around 2011, when he was about 16, Kilmar’s family sent him to the United States, too. Kilmar entered without inspection—in other words, illegally.

    Abrego Garcia then made his way to Maryland, where his brother, Cesar—now a U.S. citizen—was living, according to a complaint filed recently by his current attorney, Simon Sandoval-Moshenberg. Maryland is the only state in which Kilmar has ever resided, according to the complaint. Abrego Garcia worked in the construction industry.
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    That story is a vivid example of how, in some failed or semi-failed states, gangs step into roles traditionally associated with sovereign authority, taxation, coercion, and even recruitment to a military of sorts. Gangs are a proto-state. The gang is the embryonic form of government, minus legitimacy or monopoly on force.

    The state emerges when a gang becomes organized enough, long-lasting enough, and justified enough to claim a monopoly on violence legitimately.

    The line between them is not moral, but structural and legal.

    Thomas Hobbes would’ve recognized Barrio 18 in a heartbeat as "a Leviathan with no crown". And for people like Kilmar and his family, living under that rule, whether in El Salvador or other fragile zones, there is no "social contract." Just pay or die.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Hobbes
     
    #43     Apr 16, 2025
  4. Tuxan

    Tuxan

     
    #44     Apr 16, 2025
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  5. DTB2

    DTB2

    Find it yourself. The only point at issue is the he couldn't be returned to El Salvador over fears of gang retribution.

    Problem is no other country is taking deportees other than El Salvador and therefore he was sent packing.

    He did not get a stay in US free card when he applied for and was denied asylum.
     
    #45     Apr 16, 2025
  6. ElCubano

    ElCubano

    The real point of the issue is the absurdity of not bringing someone back at the request of the courts. The administration dancing around the topic, “we have no power” . Cmon man. Pick up the phone bring him back and let’s see what’s up. Simple,no? Why all this drama?
     
    #46     Apr 16, 2025
  7. No. They called him a terrorist. He isn’t one. The judge ordered he not be sent to El Salvador. He was sent anyway, in defiance. I would find a link if one existed supporting Mercor’s idiot claims, but such a link does not exist, except perhaps for the weak link in Mercor’s soft head. If you read a bit about Garcia’s history, you might regard him differently.
     
    #47     Apr 16, 2025
  8. DTB2

    DTB2

    I'm not sure that you understand that the Executive Branch has the duty to enforce immigration laws and the authority of how to do it.

    That would be President Trump not a District judge.

    That is settled precedent.
     
    #48     Apr 16, 2025
  9. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    Can we just start to ignore them lost in their feelings-r-facts? Trump is not a king.

    • DTB2 is wrong in suggesting a district judge has no say. Federal courts routinely rule on whether executive actions violate:
      • The Constitution (e.g., due process, equal protection).

      • Federal statutes (e.g., if Trump tried to deport someone protected).

      • Prior legal settlements (e.g., the Flores Agreement limiting child detentions).
    • Precedent: Courts have blocked Trump policies repeatedly (e.g., the Muslim ban initially, family separations, DACA repeal). Even the conservative-leaning Supreme Court ruled against some of his immigration moves.
     
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    #49     Apr 16, 2025
  10. Tuxan

    Tuxan

     
    #50     Apr 16, 2025