Are pivots useful ?

Discussion in 'Technical Analysis' started by fortuna, Oct 15, 2003.

  1. dis

    dis

    Note that today's low coincided with S1 Pivot for both ES and NQ! What are the odds...
     
    #31     Oct 15, 2003
  2. Breakout,

    Robert Krausz also has an interesting journal (#14 ) on John Jacksons "High Probabilty Fibanocci Zones". Essentialy, he did extensive research on the open in relation to the "Balance Point" (Pivot Point) and then backtested how often price would land inside one of his fib zones...

    Anyone interested in the 28pg journal can find it here http://www.fibonaccitrader.com/journal_issue1/FTJ14.pdf

    PEACE & Good-Specul8ting...
     
    #32     Oct 15, 2003
  3. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    It's not mechanical by any means, and I didn't intend to give that impression. Fortuna was just looking for experiences and ideas.

    But to your question, technically you are correct. But I was reluctant to take the "bounce" because the NQ had not yet closed the gap, and since the ES had, the odds were that the NQ would as well. And if it didn't, there were six hours left in the day. To the contrary, I would have been more likely to use that little pullback to go short if I wasn't already short, or to add another contract(s) to whatever short position I might already have.

    For me, these trades must be absolutely clear. If they aren't clear, they carry too much baggage for me to be comfortable with them. I trade the ES and NQ together. I want them to be making higher highs together, lower lows together, hitting the same pivot levels (more or less) at the same time (more or less). I don't want a lot of extraordinarily wide bars, a lot of engulfing bars. And if I don't get these things, I have other options to play what's in front of me. If none of those options are appropriate for what I see, then I don't do anything except maybe set my alarms and go do something else.

    I should also mention that I haven't found indicators to be of much use with this particular tactic. A sto will occasionally show a divergence at the right time, but not so often that you can depend on it. If anyone has had any better luck with some indicator or other, I'd like to know about it :p
     
    #33     Oct 15, 2003
  4. Cool...thanks. I didn't know John did a book on Fib zones, too. :cool:
     
    #34     Oct 15, 2003
  5. I should also mention that I haven't found indicators to be of much use with this particular tactic. A sto will occasionally show a divergence at the right time, but not so often that you can depend on it. If anyone has had any better luck with some indicator or other, I'd like to know about it


    Here is a screen shot of the difference between a 5 period and 20 period moving average. If the difference between the two is less than 0, then the bars are red and the blue line moves to -1. If the reverse is true then just the opposite happens. For help in identifying the strength of the moves I've also added trend lines at +/- .50.
     
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    #35     Oct 15, 2003
  6. fortuna

    fortuna

    Results are very good for the last 2 months.


    Main drawback: when market is lazy and moving around its pivot line , the model is making a lot of small losses than can be big by the end of the day (my model considers some slippage).

    Solution: I discover that this back and forth action is often around pivot line: it should be considered differently thqn the other lines: like no signals or if u have any ideas

    I also ameliorated the model by having variable stop loss and signal entry with respect to previous day intrady volatility or average true range (I took that from turtles, any thought about that °
     
    #36     Oct 16, 2003
  7. I"m showing a pivot of 1047.25 on the mini sp..

    which has held perfectly this morning.. market went to it.. and hasn't come back yet..
     
    #37     Oct 16, 2003
  8. fortuna

    fortuna

    YES ALSO ON THE NQZ3 TWICE today at 1423.83 pivot

    however much more efficient in intraday for dax and cac
     
    #38     Oct 16, 2003
  9. fortuna,

    You trade the DAX regularly??

    I traded it but didn't seem to like it very much.. maybe just because my trading was poor at the time..

    Do you prefer that over the sp and nq?? if so, can you tell me what characteristics of it you like?

    thanks
     
    #39     Oct 16, 2003
  10. fortuna

    fortuna

    es is not moving . volatility of 14%
    nq is moving too much

    dax is just in the middle and what i need
     
    #40     Oct 16, 2003