Are options a waste of time and money? (pun intended)

Discussion in 'Trading' started by wxytrader, Jul 22, 2023.

  1. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    Troll thread.
     
    #21     Jul 22, 2023
  2. Tip: know (calc) the reward/risk ratio (or expectancy) in advance, before entering the trade... It should be better than 50:50, ie. reward should be >= risk... Try Call spreads w/ HiIV... 'nuf said... :)
     
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    #22     Jul 22, 2023
  3. Did you not read my first post? Where did I say I was entering a trade? I was calculating everything on tos and nothing looked profitable even if directionally correct.

    Really, every road leads back to 0-3 DTE long options because imo they yield the best risk reward as long as you manage risk properly. Any duration play like credit spreads, Iron condors, butterflys etc look like complete garbage, and I question anybody is actually profitable long term trying to implement them. The farther out the expiry the more premium will kill your position... Long leaps might be ok if you just want to hold but the spread is horrible...

    Ie a call spread with high IV means you get a good price, but there is a higher probability that your short option ends up ITM and you get wrecked by assignment risk. Sure you can set a stop but good luck after hours...and a stop order becomes a market order so who knows what cost you get out at during a dump intraday.
     
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    #23     Jul 22, 2023
  4. @wxytrader, I admit I'm still in my own learning-curve, I'm only quoting just my recent (unfinished yet) research/study results...
    Cf. the example link in prev posting. And know your CostBasis, ie. how much you invest (this can be different from the risked value, depending on the construct).
     
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    #24     Jul 22, 2023
  5. No need for stops as spreads have a certain guarantee... :) It holds even after a possible early assignment...
     
    #25     Jul 22, 2023
  6. TrAndy2022

    TrAndy2022

    There is consistent profitable strategy on options with Sharpe 3. I also published it here with the scientific study together in the past. Again the study here attached. Study that in detail. You can make here something like 5% monthly consistently. Cheers.
     
    #26     Jul 22, 2023
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  7. taowave

    taowave

    You should be asking if options offer any advantage to trading the underlying..

    By and large,I agree with what you are saying,in particular 0-3 day options.Its the only "strategy " I have backtested that significantly outperforms...

    Fwiw,Tos would not be my backtesting tool of choice. Look at Orats..






     
    #27     Jul 22, 2023
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  8. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    what are you doing in 0-3 day options that outperforms?
     
    #28     Jul 22, 2023
  9. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    this post has more likes in this thread than the OP! and if two more people like it, it outperforms the OP's entire career here.
     
    #29     Jul 22, 2023
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  10. taowave

    taowave

    Full disclosure, backtesting,not doing..

    Buying calls..
    Have to go back and check to see if I used a stop

     
    #30     Jul 22, 2023
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