Are options a waste of time and money? (pun intended)

Discussion in 'Trading' started by wxytrader, Jul 22, 2023.

  1. VEGASDESERT

    VEGASDESERT

    Options are kind of a bitch to trade unless intraday then a lot of the complexity is
    moot.

    And not cheap, fees and navigating horrific spreads

    But the leverage is nice.

    Im probably too stupid to trade an always depreciating asset successfully tbh
     
    Last edited: Jul 25, 2023
    #211     Jul 25, 2023
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  2. Options are fascinating-it's like understanding how your car works. Most people can drive but they have no idea about the mechanics. I'm cheap and hate to pay for expertise I can attain myself! Aim for 2% a month, those guys who make billions -that's a lot of luck and cojones.
     
    #212     Jul 29, 2023
  3. themickey

    themickey

    Fortunately - unfortunately - I dunno which is best - I was indoctrinated early in my trading adventure not to touch Options as they were a losing strategy.
    What wasn't mentioned so is Gold trading, but I digress.

    My experience, my plate is too full learning how to navigate the sea of Stock trading.
    Stock trading, learning how to know direction is a full time job in itself.

    I'm too old now to educate myself on Options, besides, after decades of trading, I'm still learning how the markets operate, so I still can't afford the time. :)
     
    #213     Jul 29, 2023
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  4. ironchef

    ironchef

    Well, those of us who persevere for a couple of years and didn't give up, eventually figured it out.

    I changed strategy and started hunting for black swans (special situation trades), simply using options as a tool.
     
    #214     Jul 29, 2023
  5. 777

    777

    Retail options traders normally get crushed. There are many reasons for this but the reoccurring frictional costs are an underrated one, and the speedy and fierce competitions from algos is another.
     
    #215     Jul 29, 2023
  6. taowave

    taowave

    Dam Chef,you persevered for 2 years and figured it out??

    What took you so long :)

     
    #216     Jul 29, 2023
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  7. Sergio123

    Sergio123

    That's great. We don't all need to use them the same way, nor should we. There wouldn't be a market if we all wanted to do the same thing at the same time. We all need to manage our own risk.
     
    #217     Jul 30, 2023
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  8. ironchef

    ironchef

    I am dumb, have low IQ.

    And I am a pleb (someone on ET once called me a pleb). :(
     
    #218     Jul 30, 2023
  9. Ok I have been perusing the book and it seems like the tos option analyzer tool will accomplish most of what is being talked about. For EOD profits and losses you can use a simple spreadsheet.

    Option Volatility & Pricing on page #504 he is speaking about selling strangles/selling kurtosis. The issue would be that you would have a very negative vega so to neutralize this if you wanted to focus solely on kurtosis you would open ATM straddles with the same delta.

    So basically if stock abc is trading @ 195 the strangle would be:
    Sell 1 call option @ 198
    Sell 1 put option @ 192


    Then open the straddle:

    Buy 1 call option @ 195
    Buy 1 put option @ 195



    Isn't this is the same as just opening 2 vertical spreads?
    Buy 1 call option @ 195
    Sell 1 call option @ 198


    Buy 1 put option @ 195
    Sell 1 put option @ 192
     
    Last edited: Aug 4, 2023
    #219     Aug 4, 2023
  10. Sergio123

    Sergio123

    Yup. The same as a Condor.

    It doesn't matter what structure you open with (butterfly, diagonal, vertical, calendar), or if you makeup your own customized structure. Just assume it's at parity.

    It only matters how you manage it against market fluctuation.
     
    #220     Aug 5, 2023
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