Are options a waste of time and money? (pun intended)

Discussion in 'Trading' started by wxytrader, Jul 22, 2023.

  1. The RSI does your concave/convex slope calculations for you...that's all I was pointing out.

    Anyway I think what you are trying so say is this: https://cmtassociation.org/kb/explo...e-a-trading-edge-market-neutraldelta-neutral/

    Spoiler alert! The big secret to exploit volatility is......Straddles! lol

    "The current study revealed that a simple straddle options-based strategy designed to exploit a sudden implosion of a stock’s volatility with time as the only existing criteria produced draw-downs that preclude it as a viable trading strategy in its own right. However, this simple strategy had a positive expectation of generating superior returns, and therefore can be used as the basis to develop trading strategies capable of producing superior returns without the need to correctly predict the direction of a given stock, commodity, or market being traded."
     
    #131     Jul 23, 2023
  2. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    Trading vol is easy: just sell it.
     
    #132     Jul 23, 2023
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  3. Ok lets look at buying an Aug2 staddle on IWM. The premiums would put your break evens at 189.17/198.84.

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    Good luck with that.

    So clearly this trade need tweaking. Ok lets try adding a spreads (reverse iron condor).
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    Yuck!

    Lets look at the individual spreads.
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    Great reduced the break evens and risk. We need to widen the legs.


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    Ok looking better but still a big heap of garbage with a 1:2 risk reward unless price swings you can close both legs separately for profits.
     
    #133     Jul 23, 2023
  4. themickey

    themickey

    Maybe by retail traders but I doubt instos would look at RSI, but then again I'm not doing intraday, maybe they use it.
     
    #134     Jul 23, 2023
  5. No it is not lmao, stop posting that. No one is talking about the price of the stock when we use those terms. We use those terms to describe how the option's value will adjust to a change in delta OR other Greek.

    You read one study and now you think you've found the holy grail. Quite the flip from your original post. Yes, straddles are one way to take a long or short view on vol. There are lots of things you can do with vol.
     
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    #135     Jul 23, 2023
  6. Forget it! You unfortunately don't listen. Is IWM HiIV? Nope!

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    #136     Jul 23, 2023
  7. I know you aren't talking about the price of the stock! Gamma will tell you how much the delta will change with an x move of the underlying. Delta will tell you the price of the option will change for x move in the underlying. Now lets talk about volatility skew...are you familiar with the concept?
     
    #137     Jul 23, 2023
  8. Then why do you keep referencing RSI? Stop lol.
    WTF. If you know about skew, then why are you upset about using terms like concavity/convexity?
     
    #138     Jul 23, 2023
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  9. taowave

    taowave

    Lol!!!!!!

     
    #139     Jul 23, 2023
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  10. destriero

    destriero

    There is an arb in structure and this hit the tape. The req under PM/TIMS is $3500. 3,500.
     
    #140     Jul 23, 2023