Are naked puts really this safe????

Discussion in 'Options' started by RedDuke, Aug 20, 2008.

  1. erol

    erol

    I'm so happy this was bumped. I stayed up late last night reading through.

    This just goes to show you always need to quantify your risk, and if something's too good to be true it probably is.

    I just don't trust other people with my money. I'd rather lose it myself :p
     
    #541     Jun 22, 2009
  2. CAPTION THIS: "They are not risky because you can always cover the one that you sold and sell the following month thus not having a loss. "
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    I would love to see someone try to roll that move. Those poor bastards are unlucky too, as usually you get a few nice years first but they got hit headon by the biggest blackswan (lehman) right after establishing the fund.
     
    #542     Jun 23, 2009
  3. RedDuke

    RedDuke

    The fund is still alive, the investors decided that after around 90% loss, the worst already happened. The fund made some money over the past few month, but it is a drop in a bucket.

    The worst thing in the whole story, that the lives of several families got affected badly.
     
    #543     Jun 23, 2009
  4. I was surprised to see that a fund writing out-of-the-money puts on the S&P 500 actually existed.

    It was proposed as a thought experiment way back in 2001, as an example of a fund that is guaranteed to blow up, but can make a lot of money for the principals in the mean time. See Krugman and follow his links for more details.
     
    #544     Jun 23, 2009
  5. Here is a monthly vix chart, I am sure a lot of smart and not so smart folks blew out when the vix spiked over 50.
     
    #545     Jun 24, 2009
  6. #546     Jun 24, 2009
  7. "Capital Decimation Partners" would have returned 41% annual compounded return during 92-99. does anybody know the updated performance for this hypothetical fund that would include 2008?
     
    #547     Jun 27, 2009
  8. There is another strategy based on writing naked puts that I believe can work consistently, whereby you short puts on the strongest stocks in an index and then buy puts on the index . The number of puts you buy is calculated based what % of the index the stocks you shorted make up the index. The math on the strategy looked convincing, but it required a substantial account for the margin.
     
    #548     Jun 27, 2009
  9. dozu888

    dozu888

    naked puts = free money
     
    #549     Jun 27, 2009
  10. Johno

    Johno

    Hi Chris, I believe the subject is naked puts!

    Regards

    Johno
     
    #550     Jun 27, 2009