Are naked puts really this safe????

Discussion in 'Options' started by RedDuke, Aug 20, 2008.

  1. JSHINV

    JSHINV

    Wow!

     
    #511     Oct 10, 2008
  2. dmo

    dmo

    Thanks for that update. Now to complete the classic cycle, these guys will soon come back with another fund. They will explain that they went bust because they made some mistakes but learned from them, so it won't happen again. Investors will eat it up. Don't ask me why, but it happens over and over and over again. One of life's great mysteries.
     
    #512     Oct 10, 2008
  3. I bet they aren't the only ones. And throw in over-leveraged IC guys too.

    Any short put fund that says "We are completely safe...we carefully tested against historical moves and there never has been a time when..." is gonna eventually get blasted.

    It only takes a little 20% down week to knock 'em off! :)
     
    #513     Oct 10, 2008
  4. tyrant

    tyrant

    Which fund is this?
     
    #514     Oct 11, 2008
  5. Fat tail strategies work great until they don't. I wouldn't be surprised to see a large percentage of premium selling CTAs closing shop with their Oct returns.

    "Dear investor, we're sorry to inform you..." :cool:
     
    #515     Oct 11, 2008
  6. i'm not surprised. his 'hedging' technique of rolling out the option to further months only works if volatility eventually declines, but if things get worse and worse like the last few weeks, this method will result in account destruction. which it did.

    if things turn against you there is one and only one way to save the account: close your naked positions. do not roll out, do not attempt to hedge.
     
    #516     Oct 11, 2008
  7. RedDuke

    RedDuke

    The person who gives me updates, asked me not to reveal the fund name on any public forum.
     
    #517     Oct 11, 2008
  8. Nanook

    Nanook

    Based on our analysis with the Selling Naked Puts Fund LLC we've discovered we should have been selling calls all this time.

    We are now starting up our new Selling Naked Calls Fund LLC.
     
    #518     Oct 11, 2008
  9. dmo

    dmo

    LOL, please let me know when this fund debuts - I'll know for sure then that stocks have bottomed!
     
    #519     Oct 11, 2008
  10. I doubt anyone was modeling 70% volatility on the index, where will the market be if it hits 100%? I wonder where and if they covered. I am sure they are in good company in a world of hurt. I thought the market would reverse at 55% to 60% vol, incredible spike down.
     
    #520     Oct 11, 2008