Are naked puts really this safe????

Discussion in 'Options' started by RedDuke, Aug 20, 2008.

  1. Crash n burn/Jahajee hedges $8k in garbage puts with big SP futures. It's utterly moronic and serves no purpose other than to make the hedge the primary trade. You have to be a special breed of stupid to attempt it.

    He sold 20 SPX Oct par puts at 3.85 and hedged with one SPU8 [Sep hedge?]. The premium represents <31 points in the big SP.

    http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2069874#post2069874
     
    #431     Sep 15, 2008
  2. As one poster said this rolling forward is like doubling down. It works great till, well the spuz drop 100 points in week. I would love to see their p & l at the end of the month.
     
    #432     Sep 15, 2008
  3. Is it safe?

    Ask Jahajee the "Marathon" put seller...


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    #433     Sep 15, 2008
  4. 1) You should try a new BOOK

    2) A covered call is exactly equivalent to a cash-secured naked put, when the strike prices and expiration date are the same.

    3) Naked put sales (cash-secured or otherwise) are still okay. But they should be used ONLY by investors who WANT to accumulate stocks at prices lower than current.

    Traders should exercise due caution by selling put spreads, rather than naked puts. (Or call spreads, rather than naked calls.) The added safety is worth accepting a reduced profit potential.

    Mark
    http://blog.mdwoptions.com/options_for_rookies/
     
    #434     Sep 16, 2008
  5. HAHAHA Good one, one of my all time favorite movie scenes. "Is it safe?" "What?" :cool:

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    #435     Sep 16, 2008
  6. Well, hedges in the sense of trying to catch a falling elephant with a napkin... :D
     
    #436     Sep 16, 2008
  7. Hi Coach,

    No one ever said that writing covered calls was a complete hedge.

    But it does fit the definition of a hedge. Writing the call partially offsets the risk of holding another position.

    Obviously it's minor protection, but for an individual investor who is first learning about options, I believe it's a good <i>introduction</i> to learning how to use options to hedge a position.

    Mark
     
    #437     Sep 16, 2008
  8. No.

    :p
     
    #438     Sep 16, 2008
  9. man

    man

    the game is: gather enough money to open shop. sell
    OTM puts and cash in fees. after 6, 12, 24 months you will
    eventually lose all client money. then gather enough
    money to open shop ...

    i am afraid it is that simple.
     
    #439     Sep 16, 2008
  10. JSHINV

    JSHINV

    Well your post is exactly what the popular literature I was refering to says. Still they are not good hedges in my book.

     
    #440     Sep 16, 2008