Are naked puts really this safe????

Discussion in 'Options' started by RedDuke, Aug 20, 2008.

  1. tyrant

    tyrant

    Hi MAW,

    Can you give an example of how a call purchasing and a short future would be cheaper than buying a put? If that is true, is it possible to profit from arbitrage? If not, is the transaction costs including slippage the main reason that there is no arbitrage profit?

    Thanks
     
    #291     Aug 29, 2008
  2. beep1

    beep1

    the original reason for my comments was due to your comments that volume was lower on DITM side, and you used it to provide evidence that portfolio insurance uses OTM option on long side for puts and short for calls.

    my original point is that it is not conclusive as one should expect this discrepancy if one were to hedge with DITM options as the number of contracts sold should be smaller because of deltas.

    a second point (which i did not make in my latest post): if a portfolio manager was to use DITM options, he may also proceed with the synthetic position, which will show up as higher volume on the OTM side (which will be short put, or long call).

    conclusion: if one does not know the actual activities on OTM options AND the possible corresponding operations on underlying, volume analysis on options provide NO information on whether managers use long or short volty to hedge.

    do you see the significance of the last point?
     
    #292     Aug 29, 2008
  3. I don't, your conclusion is fatally flawed. It's only significant to the author.
     
    #293     Aug 29, 2008
  4. Risk-reversal pricing is a method of pricing skew primarily in otc markets. Typically quoted at 25-deltas up/down.

    The 25-delta put vol is priced against the 25-delta call vol in any market. A + result suggests callvol/putvol > 1. Calls are puts, puts are calls. The ~25-delta call can be made into a ~-75-delta put simply by trading a futures contract. To buy the put synthetically you would buy the call and short a futures contract. Futures = -100D + the call delta to arrive at a -75 synthetic put delta which is equivalent to the natural -75D put. The same-strike combination shares gamma. The advantage over the otm put is a discounted volatility due to the index vol smile. In reality, it's still a costly put in premium terms, natural or synthetic due to the >delta.

    Same strike combinations must trade at ~equivalent volatility. A deep otm put at 30% volatility reflects a deep itm call volatility of 30%, provided they share a strike. The put is dominant, as the OI is dominated by the otm option, but the same-strike call must share the volatility for parity to remain inviolate. Remove carry and the RFR from the equation.
     
    #294     Aug 29, 2008
  5. dmo

    dmo

    Assume the futures are at 1200. Are you saying that the 1300 call volume might really be synthetic put buyers?

    I guess it's possible - I can't prove otherwise - but it just seems to defy common sense. Too tortured. You know the expression - "when you hear hoofbeats, think horses not zebras." (Not true in Kenya I guess).

    Besides, portfolio protection is not just a matter of puts or calls - much more importantly it's a matter of premium - gammas and vegas. If futures are at 1200 and you're worried about a drop, you don't want premium up at the 1300 strike - that's not going to do you any good in the event of a crash. You want premium down low, the lower the better. If there's a crash, you want that premium to be right in the heart of the action. Think of it as real estate - location location location. In the event of a crash, the best real estate to own is at the low strikes. In a crash, premium down low becomes a Park Avenue penthouse during the great NY real estate boom. Premium at high strikes might as well be a tenement in the Bronx - it's just not situated to benefit from the action.
     
    #295     Aug 29, 2008
  6. JSHINV

    JSHINV

    Nope. If you have the cash, its just like it's a covered call. Thats why IRA accounts allow cash secured puts. You know that. But, does everyone posting here know that? "Not to worry, I'll just sell some more puts."

     
    #296     Aug 29, 2008
  7. JSHINV

    JSHINV

    BTW, to me if they are cash secured, they are not really naked puts. They are covered with cash.

     
    #297     Aug 29, 2008
  8. hlpsg

    hlpsg

    Interesting. Truth be told, I really don't know the answer and am definitely not at your depth of expertise, that was just a theory I had in my head to explain the skew in a way which made sense to me.

    I hope I have not misunderstood your explaination, but if your theory/observation is true, and we see most stocks/stock indices having a volatility smile with far OTM calls and puts having very high IVs compared to the ATMs, what does this imply? It has to imply that someone is buying lots of these options (not just the puts but the calls also) and there're more buyers than sellers?

    Intuitively, I would think there'd be more sellers of OTM calls than buyers. Unless institutions had some reason to want to buy far OTM calls.
     
    #298     Aug 30, 2008
  9. dmo

    dmo

    There's actually no "smile" of volatility in index options. Starting with the lowest strike, every higher strike trades at a progressively lower IV - all the way up to the highest strike. So the far OTM calls actually trade at a lower volatility than the ATM's. Instead of a smile, the "curve" looks more like a flat board with the far right side lower and the far left side higher.
     
    #299     Aug 30, 2008
  10. hlpsg

    hlpsg

    This seems to be more true of the longer term options than of the nearer term. Why is this?

    I've attached an example of the SPX volatility curves of different expiration months.

    Even as far out as the MAR09, there is still some evidence of a smile on the upside. This smile is very obvious for months closer than MAR09.

    I did the same for RUT, and the smile is evident in the SEP08 and OCT08 options.

    For NDX, up to and including the OCT08 expiration, you can see evidence of a smile.
     
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    #300     Aug 30, 2008