Are highlights in Time and Sales dark pool orders

Discussion in 'Trading' started by dvrkbxy, Apr 19, 2019.

  1. follow the bid ensuing that (short or long) and also observe the price level of those bids . Place a stoploss of 1.25 and you will make money, as it reveals the range the price will travel. i have used it for sometime to get good points. hey we gotta eat too.
     
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    #11     Apr 19, 2019
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  2. dvrkbxy

    dvrkbxy

    very informative, LS does have a special window to display the sale conditions so I guess I'll try defining the rest of these terms, there's like 30 lol
     
    #12     Apr 20, 2019
  3. comagnum

    comagnum

    I see this also using several different brokers - time and sales outside of the current NBBO. I am pretty sure these are off-exchange (dark pools or ATS) reporting trades that executed earlier.

    These trades are sent over Alternative Display Facility(ADF) or Trade Reporting Facility(TRF) under regulatory oversight of FINRA.

    There are 2 TRFs - NYSE & Nasdaq, they can report the trade to either one or split it between the two.
     
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    #13     Apr 20, 2019
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  4. dvrkbxy

    dvrkbxy

    so in your time and sales, do you see TRF listed as the exchange in the print? I only ever see ADFN in LS.

    also we should keep in mind that since the dark pool trades are delayed, its unlikely that they would be so close to the NBBO since it is constantly changing. these prints are often just outside the NBBO, so I think a sweep might be likely in those cases, as another poster said. However, I do sometimes see huge prints far away from the NBBO, and those I am pretty certain are dark pool trades.
     
    #14     Apr 21, 2019
  5. Robert Morse

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    dvrkbxy,

    What do you hope to get out of this?
     
    #15     Apr 21, 2019
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  6. comagnum

    comagnum

    yea - I see TRF listed as the exchange. The point I was trying to make this is not something unique to only LS.

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    #16     Apr 21, 2019
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  7. dvrkbxy

    dvrkbxy

    Well man, all we ever do as traders comes down to an educated guess, it's all we got. The more information I can extrapolate from the tape will make me a better tape reader. You don't think identifying a hidden order is a valuable skill to a tape reader? I do.
     
    #17     Apr 21, 2019
  8. Robert Morse

    Robert Morse Sponsor

    IMO, a deep dive into where that trade occurred does not create alpha. The size of the trade and price has more value to me than if it was an ATS vs Dark pool or any other information about that trade. It might help to know if it were part of a pair with options, warrants, another equity or a fixed income symbol-but you won't get that from the tape.
     
    #18     Apr 22, 2019
  9. dvrkbxy

    dvrkbxy

    Yea I hear ya, I don't come from the perspective that any one little piece of information creates alpha. I'm coming from the perspective that many different variables together allow me to reach a certain thesis. The tape is just one of them. And it's like i'm staring at this damn thing every day, I should at least fully understand what I'm looking at. lol
     
    #19     Apr 22, 2019
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