Are CEOs allowed to sell covered calls on stocks they own?

Discussion in 'Options' started by Pekelo, Sep 8, 2016.

  1. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    I never thought I would ever bing something, but since google didn't give me anything good, I used bing and found this:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/people.asp?privcapId=61875157

    This is a company covered call tracker by Bloomberg, and if there is such a thing, then somebody insider has to be able to sell covered calls! :)

    It is almost like if there is a Yeti Trap 3000, there has to be a yeti!!!
     
    #21     Sep 10, 2016
  2. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    Thanks for the detailed answer.

    or I think that the stock might be overvalued (a perfectly fine statement by a CEO) and want to protect the value of my holdings. After all CCs protect against a dip to South...

    Now I see why this wouldn't be a good PR for Elon Musk (and he doesn't really need the extra money) but for a smaller company, I don't see if anyone would care much...

    Or let's say I am a board member who is related to the majority of the controlling holders and they need me to keep my million shares to keep the family in control, but pretty much nobody knows me or care what I write against my stocks, as long as I am the owner of the stock...
     
    Last edited: Sep 10, 2016
    #22     Sep 10, 2016
  3. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    I keep coming back to this topic, when I read about Elon Musk not having cash or mortgaging his houses.

    Well, Elon a year or so ago acknowledged that the stock was way overvalued, so he wouldn't be lying to the public. Now he owns 38+ MM shares. Let's say he sells CCs on 1 MM shares, that is less than 3% exposure, but going out 50 bucks (currently $230 strike) with 1 month expiry, he could net 1.5 MM monthly, when his mortgages are like 800K monthly.

    The point is, instead of mortgaging the houses with shares as collaterals and possibly selling a bunch of shares if the price drops, why not just sell CCs, way OTM with minimal chance of getting hit?
     
    #23     Jun 3, 2019
  4. Sig

    Sig

    Mortgage the house with shares as collateral is a huge "skin in the game" indication of bullishness on the part of the insider. Selling covered calls is a huge "I don't think there's much chance this stock will go up any more" indication on the part of an insider. Any insider anywhere would be a moron to do the latter, but especially Elon when so much of the house of cards is built on a confidence game.
     
    #24     Jun 3, 2019
  5. kj5159

    kj5159

    They do it all the time as long as they aren't in a post-IPO lockup period. So (I have no idea what he actually does, just picking a random example) if Jamie Dimon gets stock options that are exercised, then has shares, he might sell calls covered by the shares.
     
    #25     Jun 3, 2019
  6. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    I worked with the private client desk at my old firm a lot. The insiders who were overwriting were one of two flavors: they had sold their businesses to the parent organization and were paid in stock that they could not liquidate (often because it was hundreds of millions worth or they were sitting on substantial capital gains). The second group was a fourth generation heir to an old money dynasty (like a DuPont or prikzter). They could sell either because of family issues but wanted to monetize that capital. Often these were otc cash settled structures.
     
    #26     Jun 3, 2019
  7. Pekelo

    Pekelo


    Going up 50 bucks a month is hugely unlikely for most stocks...
     
    #27     Jun 3, 2019
  8. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    It would be the fastest way for him to tank the stock. Even selling stock would be a less bearish signal.
     
    #28     Jun 3, 2019
  9. Baozi

    Baozi

    Beyond any issue with the general public and the SEC, I think that a CEO would get a lot of heat from the board for doing anything that could be perceived as a bet against the company.
     
    #29     Jun 3, 2019
  10. destriero

    destriero

    Most of those that write calls are trading RRs and doing it OTC cash-settled.
     
    #30     Jun 3, 2019