Are butterflies worthless?

Discussion in 'Options' started by RGLD, Jul 18, 2018.

  1. Doobs789

    Doobs789

    I would like to explain it, but it's way over your head.
     
    #11     Jul 19, 2018
  2. marameo

    marameo

    How about +2 +1 -2 +1 +2?
     
    #12     Jul 19, 2018
  3. You mean the dividend risk of being SHORT a DITM Call right?
     
    #13     Jul 19, 2018
  4. SumZero

    SumZero

    Anyone reminds of a good topic, here in ET, with a deep discussion about flies (debit) vs iron flies (credit) ?

    I just know the simplistic approach "go for flies when IV is low and iron flies wen IV is high".
     
    #14     Jul 19, 2018
  5. Doobs789

    Doobs789

    Is that a Fibonacci sequence? How about posting something useful.
     
    #15     Jul 19, 2018
  6. Doobs789

    Doobs789

    They are the same. So I'm not sure how that applies.
     
    #16     Jul 19, 2018
  7. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    Ina Gada Da Vida Baby!
     
    #17     Jul 19, 2018
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  8. marameo

    marameo

     
    #18     Jul 19, 2018
  9. tommcginnis

    tommcginnis

    A butterfly is a bearish spread and a bullish spread (of the same width) that share a (middle) strike.
    As the $5-wide 2795/2800 and 2800/2805.

    A call butterfly is all calls.
    A put butterfly is all puts.
    An iron butterfly is puts on bottom, calls on top.
    That's it. End of story.

    Are they any good?
    They are only a trade pattern -- they are not a "thing."
    That pattern are a tool -- appropriate in some situations, maybe not-so-appropriate in others.
    You can buy them, sell them, buy to initiate, buy to *move*.....
    All kinds of uses.

    From the profit diagrams available from any search engine via the keywords Options Butterfly Graph Images, you can see that they have greater peak profit than condors of the same neighborhood, but a narrower payout range.

    Use the right tool for the right situation.

    "It is a poor carpenter who blames his tools."

    Don't be a poor carpenter.
     
    #19     Jul 19, 2018
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  10. This is incorrect right here. Flies and Iron Flies are synthetic equivalents; the only difference is that flies are entered into for a debit and can expand up to max profit while iron flies are entered into for a credit and could potentially expire worthless (short options ATM) giving you max profit.

    They are BOTH better strategies to initiate in high IV environments since both of them are short guts (the middle) and long wings

    The considerations to choose one over the other are more related to non-transparent factors such as dividends, interest rates, commissions, etc but they are synthetically equivalent
     
    #20     Jul 19, 2018
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