Arbitrage Strategy

Discussion in 'Strategy Building' started by Hammy27, Dec 15, 2011.

  1. Don't explain. You're not arbing anything at all. Firstly you need capital, and secondly you have risk. If 1 day an airplane hits NYSE or if electricity fails on ALL US exchanges, that you cannot buy/sell on market, then its not an arb, then you have a risk. Arbs are suppose to be riskfree, and locks in profit instantly. eg. Box spread or synthetic split-strike.

    Btw curve is very very easy. I think 15 year old can do it too. With good backtest data and tons of mathematics formula, you can easily find stocks that after long/short of a basket, or using relative value, make alpha.

    Post your 3 year Sharpe ratio and max AUM on real time data before we talk. Try harder, Good luck :)
     
    #11     Dec 26, 2011
  2. xiaodre

    xiaodre

    Disappointing.

    I open up this thread and it's not arbing anything. Buddy, you gotta do something like look for differences in the price of gold on nymex versus the Aussie exchange, or the Jap exchanges, and then take the difference between the two in a trade. That's arbitrage trading.
     
    #12     Dec 26, 2011
  3. Shanb

    Shanb

    Pair trading is technically a form of arbitrage. It's called "Statistical Arbitrage" lol

    To the OP, sounds like you are doing some basic pair trading? If I'm wrong let me know, but ya if you introduce some leverage into the equation you could have a good approach and make some solid money. There is of course some more exposure to tail risk when betting on convergence of spreads, add some leverage and things can get messy if your risk management isn't on point!
     
    #13     Dec 26, 2011
  4. Pair trading is not stat arb.
     
    #14     Dec 27, 2011
  5. Shanb

    Shanb

    Pair trading is the most simplest form of Stat Arb. If pair trading is not stat arb then what is?
     
    #15     Dec 29, 2011
  6. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    If I buy SPY and sell NDX that's a pair trade, but not necessarily a stat arb strategy.
     
    #16     Dec 29, 2011

  7. If you buy a pair, any pair that you think its called stat arb, then I'll ask you:

    - If 1 day both products =$0, do you make or lose. If you lose $, its not an arb, and certainly not statistically at all and its a risk.

    - If 1 day a major news hit 1 of the pair, does the other product move together ? If it doesn't again its not an arb, and there's risk involve.

    Don't mixed up pair trading, hedging, delta one, Neutral, Spread trading with stat arb.
     
    #17     Dec 29, 2011
  8. bone

    bone

    I have done consulting work for two very prominent HFT electronic trading firms in Chicago and Manhattan [ household names in the biz you would instantly recongnize ] - they both spread trade equity pairs and baskets on an automated basis at very high frequencies, and they both call it 'stat arb'.

    One of the firms does so much volume, it actually owns a brokerage named after a citrus fruit.

    The other firm does so much volume they really should have their own brokerage - if there was any money in it to be had.

    Taking little nibbles out of highly correlated spread differentials on a milliseconds timeframe. All day long.
     
    #18     Dec 30, 2011
  9. I always called pair trading correlation trading...But what do
    I know?...I trade Forex...

    ES

     
    #19     Dec 30, 2011
  10. Shanb

    Shanb

     
    #20     Dec 30, 2011