There is no exigent circumstance that I can imagine where I would need to hump it with 800 rds of any ammo. I would fucking dig a hole with my bare hands until I found water. Hit a deer with 5.56 and it's iffy. Not so with my 7.62. It's exactly what is so absurd about these threads... making arguments on MV when it's blatantly obvious that 5.56 is vastly inferior. I have a bunch of guns in 5.56 and only one in 7.62. The reasoning is common-caliber. I have many 000s of rounds of SS-109 General Dynamics 5.56 NATO--best ammo made. My kids aren't going to *want* to learn to shoot a 7.62 SCAR. It's soft-shooting for a 7.62, but not for a 12yo. I can also (and have) convert my 5.56 guns to pistol cals. 5.56 platforms are often a smaller footprint, but rarely an issue (SCAR H and L are basically the same volume). My choice in 5.56 is very small (28" OAL), and thus an advantage to me for carry. The 9mm conversion is 25" OAL. Otherwise I'd only own 7.62 in a rifle. The 5.56 fanboys talk about ballistics, but they are really referring to bullet-drop. The 5.56 is like rimfire at 200Y when compared to 7.62. Home defense? As I have stated earlier--5.56 is stupid for home-defense. 7.62 is even dumber, but these guns are multi-role (truck gun, home defense, target, hunting, competition). You use what's available. My idea of an ideal home defense weapon (other than shotgun) is a 9mm carbine. I have two.
I'm not arguing with you. 5.56 cannot compare to 7.62, except in portability and recoil. What do you think about the Liberty 50 grain 9 mil defense round? Is it a good option?
It looks great. I will buy some for my 9mm AUGs. Nothing not to like about that round. I have always been a fan of subsonic for obvious reasons, but this stuff should be fantastic in a carbine. Almost the same energy as a 125gr CorBon, but traveling at 2000fps. Amazing.
tnoutdoors9 has been one of the best ammo testers for years on YouTube and like many others he wasn't too impressed with those rounds for self-defense. Admittedly this is the "Ultra" defense which may be slightly different from the "Civil" defense rounds by Liberty. [LATER EDIT: ] I checked on their website and they no longer list an "Ultra" round. His test was 2 yrs ago and as he mentions at the beginning of the video they had to rebrand and rebox their product. Presumably over the last couple years they did that again and "Ultra" became "Civil".
OK, so you have a ton of flash and unburnt powder. So the stuff isn't necessarily dirty, but it's not smart to practice with this stuff. So no, I will not buy this stuff or recommend it. Lots of premature wear from a +P (voids Glock and other maker's warranty). I only buy subsonic anyway and I suppose I will continue to do so. I guess it shows that muzzle energy/velocity. It's basically equivalent to a 125gr load in terms of energy, with more flash. Some recoil reduction, but a 9mm is tame anyway. Why go with +p wear when it's got slightly less energy and far worse penetration?
First let me preface by saying I am not an expert. Now I can disagree with you with impunity . J/K of course. I know very little about any of this. But, from what I can tell a 1/7 can spin a 55 grain 5.56 at ~300k, basically just short of tearing it apart. Then when it hits flesh, it tumbles. Or so I have been told. I've tried to set up people to shoot to test this theory and it is kinda hard to make arrangements. Interestingly, 7.62 ammo seems to be about the same price as 5.56 (or cheaper). That is surprising. Perhaps my theory of buying the popular weapon has a weakness in that suppliers are still unable to meet demand.
Yeah, I messed up on that to some extent. I want a rifle for "home defense" which is not "shooting some bad guy in my house" as much as "shooting a bad guy in a movie-like scene as he drives up to my place or away with my wife, kids and valuables." I got the inhouse armament handled. Well, sort of. Everybody could use more guns. But the next purchase is a rifle.